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 sebster wrote:
Zimmerman reported what, a dozen suspicious incidents in the previous six months? Maybe every single time he witnessed a crime he was out on a personal errand. Maybe Zimmerman is a modern day Jessica Fletcher, who just happens to always be in the area when a crime is committed through complete, miraculous chance.

Or maybe its pretty fething obvious to the world that Zimmerman patrolled his area looking for any possible criminal activity.

I believe it was six in the previous couple years, and, if memory serves, all but one were before he acquired his first handgun.

 djones520 wrote:
I love that everyone is automatically assuming he was at fault or something. I've seen many a messy divorce where the wife called the cops on her husband claiming an "altercation" to help get the courts in her favor.

I don't think that would work very well for Mrs. Zimmerman. As credible witnesses go, convicted felons who plead guilty to lying in court don't rank very high.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I love that everyone is automatically assuming he was at fault or something. I've seen many a messy divorce where the wife called the cops on her husband claiming an "altercation" to help get the courts in her favor.

I don't think that would work very well for Mrs. Zimmerman. As credible witnesses go, convicted felons who plead guilty to lying in court don't rank very high.

Well, she recanted on her story when questioned by the cops.

However, Shellie Zimmerman, who filed for divorce last week, later declined to press charges. Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell told the Associated Press that she had changed her story and never saw a firearm.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-wife-says-threatened-her-father-with-gun/?test=latestnews#ixzz2eTaWk8nf

Seems like the stress of the last couple years have really impacted everyone. She's gone psycho moonbat (assuming she wasn't before).


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 Seaward wrote:

 sebster wrote:
Zimmerman reported what, a dozen suspicious incidents in the previous six months? Maybe every single time he witnessed a crime he was out on a personal errand. Maybe Zimmerman is a modern day Jessica Fletcher, who just happens to always be in the area when a crime is committed through complete, miraculous chance.

Or maybe its pretty fething obvious to the world that Zimmerman patrolled his area looking for any possible criminal activity.

I believe it was six in the previous couple years, and, if memory serves, all but one were before he acquired his first handgun.

And he only acquired the handgun on advice from animal control when he had an encounter with a pitbull.

 djones520 wrote:

However, Shellie Zimmerman, who filed for divorce last week, later declined to press charges. Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell told the Associated Press that she had changed her story and never saw a firearm.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-wife-says-threatened-her-father-with-gun/?test=latestnews#ixzz2eTaWk8nf

I'm sorry, I'm afraid this conflicts with the narrative we're crafting.

 Seaward wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

However, Shellie Zimmerman, who filed for divorce last week, later declined to press charges. Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell told the Associated Press that she had changed her story and never saw a firearm.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-wife-says-threatened-her-father-with-gun/?test=latestnews#ixzz2eTaWk8nf

I'm sorry, I'm afraid this conflicts with the narrative we're crafting.

I'm sorry, what was I thinking, introducing evidence that doesn't prove his guilt of being a hardened murderer.

 djones520 wrote:
Well, she recanted on her story when questioned by the cops.

Which doesn't necessarily mean she's lying, either - plenty of victims of domestic violence do so. There's as much evidence of guilt as there is of innocence (i.e. not much either way), and it's not possible to make any determination yet. Maybe when we see a police report; but doubtfully even then.

This is a screwy situation and I wouldn't pick a side if someone paid me. However, I believe my dry humor, unsupported claims, blind pessimism, and unwavering ability to argue about things I don't care about will do this thread some good.

 xole wrote:
This is a screwy situation and I wouldn't pick a side if someone paid me. However, I believe my dry humor, unsupported claims, blind pessimism, and unwavering ability to argue about things I don't care about will do this thread some good.

Welcome home.

 xole wrote:
However, I believe my dry humor, unsupported claims, blind pessimism, and unwavering ability to argue about things I don't care about will do this thread some good.

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 djones520 wrote:
I love that everyone is automatically assuming he was at fault or something. I've seen many a messy divorce where the wife called the cops on her husband claiming an "altercation" to help get the courts in her favor.

Let the Zimmerman hatred flow though. No one wanted to wait for facts the first time he made the news, why bother now?

Well he was at the the father in law's house. This is never a good thing.

 Frazzled wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I love that everyone is automatically assuming he was at fault or something. I've seen many a messy divorce where the wife called the cops on her husband claiming an "altercation" to help get the courts in her favor.

Let the Zimmerman hatred flow though. No one wanted to wait for facts the first time he made the news, why bother now?

Well he was at the the father in law's house. This is never a good thing.

It's where he was/is living. The Wife and FiL showed up to the house, to take personal possessions away, that they had agreed to split with the divorce. I guess it was an unexpected arrival, and Z says that she was taking more then was agreed to, which started the argument. From the link I posted earlier.

Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's trial attorney, said the couple was in the process of splitting up their personal property at their home, which was owned by Shellie Zimmerman's father.
He said his former client was surprised when his estranged wife and her father returned to the house Monday to take more things.
"There was an argument with Shellie's dad over what does and doesn't go," O'Mara said. "Things got a little bit hot."

Your not really a adult till you at least gone through one divorce.

Or had a wiener dog fall asleep on your chest and start snoring in your ear. You may substitute a pit bull or giant pointer if one wants.

 Jihadin wrote:
Your not really a adult till you at least gone through one divorce.

When I called my dad to tell him I was getting married, his response was that "marriage was awesome - everyone should get married 4 or 5 times".

Hahah. I became an adult at 18 then. (My first and hopefully last divorce >.>;

I like the part where she claims he provoked them to step towards him, probably so he could claim "Stand Your Ground" when he shot them. Well played on her part considering his image.

Of course, none of this maybe true too.

 djones520 wrote:


And he only acquired the handgun on advice from animal control when he had an encounter with a pitbull.

Is that a common occurence? Aren't there, you know, steps before we get to "handgun"? Combat boots... pepper spray... nightstick...?

Maybe it's my urban Canadian sensibilities, but it just sounds like a rapid escalation of measures.

And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths (T'was the night before Christmas, too) in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun, and my dad *allegedly* raised his battered, bleeding nose and said "We're Canadian, you know?"

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


And he only acquired the handgun on advice from animal control when he had an encounter with a pitbull.

Is that a common occurence? Aren't there, you know, steps before we get to "handgun"? Combat boots... pepper spray... nightstick...?

Maybe it's my urban Canadian sensibilities, but it just sounds like a rapid escalation of measures.

And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths (T'was the night before Christmas, too) in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun, and my dad *allegedly* raised his battered, bleeding nose and said "We're Canadian, you know?"

It's not that uncommon.

Pit bulls are a breed that have a bad reputation(deservedly or not) and are commonly looked at by people as the dog to get for when they want to appear macho or have some kind of guard animal.
A poorly trained pit bull that decides to go after someone can potentially kill or severely injure an individual. There are very few breeds of dog that I actively avoid unless I know the owner and animal well and pit bulls are one of them.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun"

The officer really gave him that advice? I have very mixed feeling about a cop telling a citizen that he needs to get a hand gun for protection.

 Easy E wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun"

The officer really gave him that advice? I have very mixed feeling about a cop telling a citizen that he needs to get a hand gun for protection.

Erm... why?

The police officers that I know tells me this... since they know that they can't be everywhere to protect everyone.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


And he only acquired the handgun on advice from animal control when he had an encounter with a pitbull.

Is that a common occurence? Aren't there, you know, steps before we get to "handgun"? Combat boots... pepper spray... nightstick...?

Maybe it's my urban Canadian sensibilities, but it just sounds like a rapid escalation of measures.

And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths (T'was the night before Christmas, too) in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun, and my dad *allegedly* raised his battered, bleeding nose and said "We're Canadian, you know?"

Actually with a pit bull its chainsaw first. I had one. If he wanted to crush all the ribs in your chest, he was going to crush all the ribs in your chest.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
A poorly trained pit bull that decides to go after someone can potentially kill or severely injure an individual. There are very few breeds of dog that I actively avoid unless I know the owner and animal well and pit bulls are one of them.

Kanluwen and I agree on something. Quick someone hold me, I'm scared.


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 Easy E wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun"

The officer really gave him that advice? I have very mixed feeling about a cop telling a citizen that he needs to get a hand gun for protection.

A police captain, and an attorney both told the wife she should.

PD screwed up. It's pretty common for women to reverse their story after an episode of domestic violence. They should have questioned the wife and father in law separately. Most of all they should have searched the car for a gun. WTF are they doing not searching for a gun when one was reported during a domestic?

 djones520 wrote:
I love that everyone is automatically assuming he was at fault or something. I've seen many a messy divorce where the wife called the cops on her husband claiming an "altercation" to help get the courts in her favor.

Let the Zimmerman hatred flow though. No one wanted to wait for facts the first time he made the news, why bother now?

To clarify, my statement wasn't about George's guilt or lack thereof, but simply a comment on the ruin his life is becoming after the fact.

 schadenfreude wrote:
PD screwed up. It's pretty common for women to reverse their story after an episode of domestic violence. They should have questioned the wife and father in law separately. Most of all they should have searched the car for a gun. WTF are they doing not searching for a gun when one was reported during a domestic?

It's a witch hunt, this guy will be in the news every time he takes a dump.

 pities2004 wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
PD screwed up. It's pretty common for women to reverse their story after an episode of domestic violence. They should have questioned the wife and father in law separately. Most of all they should have searched the car for a gun. WTF are they doing not searching for a gun when one was reported during a domestic?

It's a witch hunt, this guy will be in the news every time he takes a dump.

Its possible there was no gun and his wife is a crazy bitch. That doesn't change the fact if the wife reports being threatened by a gun in a domestic the police should search the car for the gun 100% of the time regardless if the wife changes her story. PD screwed up.

 pities2004 wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
PD screwed up. It's pretty common for women to reverse their story after an episode of domestic violence. They should have questioned the wife and father in law separately. Most of all they should have searched the car for a gun. WTF are they doing not searching for a gun when one was reported during a domestic?

It's a witch hunt, this guy will be in the news every time he takes a dump.

If he starts eating belly bombers (ie, White Castles)... then, dayum man, that's like crime against humanity for all those gastronomical 'splosions.

 schadenfreude wrote:
PD screwed up. It's pretty common for women to reverse their story after an episode of domestic violence. They should have questioned the wife and father in law separately. Most of all they should have searched the car for a gun. WTF are they doing not searching for a gun when one was reported during a domestic?

Is there a notation that they didn't?

 Easy E wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun"

The officer really gave him that advice? I have very mixed feeling about a cop telling a citizen that he needs to get a hand gun for protection.

Ever hear the quote "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."?

Or how about "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."?

 Frazzled wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
PD screwed up. It's pretty common for women to reverse their story after an episode of domestic violence. They should have questioned the wife and father in law separately. Most of all they should have searched the car for a gun. WTF are they doing not searching for a gun when one was reported during a domestic?

Is there a notation that they didn't?

Sources I have read so far indicate Zimmerman was out of his car when pd arrived, compliant with police searching his person, but they didn't search the car because they were unsure if they had PC or needed a warrant.

 Zathras wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And for the record, my dad was attacked by two youths in Florida. The officer told him he should buy a gun"

The officer really gave him that advice? I have very mixed feeling about a cop telling a citizen that he needs to get a hand gun for protection.

Ever hear the quote "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."?

Or how about "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."?

Sure, I have also heard the saying that "Violence only begets violence" and "An eye for an eye leaves the world blind". That doesn't mean I want cops giving me that kind of advice either way.

I'm especially leery of a cop telling me to buy a gun for protection since that same cop who told me to get a gun should be arresting me if I had to use it.