So... Which chapter is the best now?

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**Martel732**

How about Shrike hanging out with BA and infiltrating a whole bunch of melta on ASMs? They can't assault but they can start melting things immediately.

**I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly**

Not sure yet. Ultramarines rules are harder to relate to the others because of the activated turns. BT seems a bit weak. Raven guard could build some really cool stuff, IF is just a good general bonus. White scars strikes me as the best - bumps bikes from good to great, and hit and run is actually an awesome rule for any unit, assault or shooting.

**Kangodo**

Martel732 wrote:
How about Shrike hanging out with BA and infiltrating a whole bunch of melta on ASMs? They can't assault but they can start melting things immediately.

No!
You can't effectively use Blood Angels in a fun way, when will you learn it?

**Psienesis**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
AngryMarine wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
Why is there no Angry Marines on the list?

AGREED!!!

What is Black Templars?

NOT ANGRY ENOUGH!!!!!

**timetowaste85**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Templars. 5-man lasplas squads are as solid as ever (more so, in fact, now that there's no RZ and we can get a combi-weapon, althout expensive) and having access to 5-man combi+special+heavy units means you can get as much firepower as possible in there per Marine. Templars have the offensively most powerful Chapter Masters (IH being the defensively best one) and can pad out MSU units with cheaper extra wounds (albeit weaker) than normal TAC squads. When one of the main Marine weaknesses is a lack of numbers, having access to cheaper wound-fillers is huge.

Seeing how AlmightyWalrus is the biggest BT player on the board, if he's happy with their changes, then that's good enough for me. I defer to his wisdom.

**Veteran Sergeant**

TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
I think that the White Scars Chapter Tactics plus Khan's USR makes them the pretty awesome. Iron Hands Chapter tactic is also good. The Ultramarines Chapter Tactic is also useful if you bring Marneus along for the ride.

That's really the problem with the Ultramarines tactics. Individually they are really good, but you only get them on 3 out of ? turns. The rules for Calgar pretty much force you to take him in order to make the UT chapter tactics worthwhile.

**Rommel44**

White Scars got a real boost it seems, with Khan giving the the army scout, and combined with the White Scars +1 jinx save and +1 strength to there Hammer of Wrath of attacks on top of Hit and Run, they have a lot going for them.

**Lobokai**

I see a ton of potential for BT, UM, and IH... but for now, its WS as the strongest IMHO