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Skarbrand vrs swarmstar, skarbrand loses.

Skarbrand vrs swarmlord, skarbrand wins.

And how does a lord of change win? T7-9 with a 3+5++? Againt S7-9,I7-9, Ap2, ID, forcing rerolls that you can't reroll. I would say LOC looses most of the time.

 spacewolved wrote:
Skarbrand vrs swarmstar, skarbrand loses.

Skarbrand vrs swarmlord, skarbrand wins.

And how does a lord of change win? T7-9 with a 3+5++? Againt S7-9,I7-9, Ap2, ID, forcing rerolls that you can't reroll. I would say LOC looses most of the time.

Forewarning Iron Arm, Warp Speed, Blade of Eternity/Greater Ether blade, and someone to cast Endurance and/or Warp speed and the Grimoire on him.

So a rerollable 2++ with a crap ton of attacks, T and S 7-9.

This could defeat Horus, Skarbrand, and Abaddon simultaneously with one hand tied behind his back.


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Also, doing the math, Skarbrand hits with only half his attacks, only half get through the invulnerable save, and then not quite all of them wound.

So the Swarmlord survives, then pokes Skarbrand with instant death and he explodes.

See, this is why everyone prefers Fateweaver.

Once against I thought this was Swarmlord vrs some other unit. Not let's spend 600pts to beat 280pts. LOC without outside buffing loses to Swarmlord. A super buffed LOC beats swarmlord hands down.

 spacewolved wrote:
Once against I thought this was Swarmlord vrs some other unit. Not let's spend 600pts to beat 280pts. LOC without outside buffing loses to Swarmlord. A super buffed LOC beats swarmlord hands down.

It's spend 600 to beat everything unless someone kills Fateweaver or you roll badly on perils or warp storm doesn't like you.

A lot can go wrong, oh boy with all that dice the master of magic may feth you over and you need a specific combo to even get it. But nothing short of Zarakynel or Old C'tan beats it in assault.

And Zarakynel cheats by ignoring invulnerables and costs 666 points.

 spacewolved wrote:
Skarbrand vrs swarmstar, skarbrand loses.

Skarbrand vrs swarmlord, skarbrand wins.

And how does a lord of change win? T7-9 with a 3+5++? Againt S7-9,I7-9, Ap2, ID, forcing rerolls that you can't reroll. I would say LOC looses most of the time.

No, if Swarmlord has Iron Arm (which he usually will), he beats Skarbrand 1v1. If he doesn't, Skarbrand wins. It's pretty simple.

To answer the OP: if you are dealing with just Swarmy himself, yes there is a lot that can take him down, as has been mentioned. However, no one in their right mind takes him solo, so he'll always have some form of support that he's attached to. When he's at full strength with his buddies and juiced up on IA/WS/End, only exceptionally good die rolls (or bad depending on which side we are talking about) are likely to take him down reliably in CC.

Also, on the LOC rerollable 2++ inv, keep in mind that Swarmy forces rerolls on successful inv saves, so the two rerolls are going to cancel out.

Well the Avatar with a Seer Council watching could probably pull it off. Especially since the Swarmlord could lose his Bonesabres.

I think vect may be able to tackle him 1v1

With a 2++ and a pseudo poisoned ap3 melee weapon he has a good shot

Sadly, no.

Hurt him badly, yes, but kill him not so much unless Vect is rolling well. He is potentially capable of gibbing swarmy, but not likely to before swarmy squishes him.

With average rolls Swarmy instagibs Vect if he gets a wound in, and does enough attacks that the 2++ will fail before Vect kills him off.

Give vect a unit of shardnet honeys to help him out by nerfing down Swarmy's attacks, and then it becomes a deal more possible.

Well if we are talking about people with supporting units I wouldjust take a decked out royal court and MSS him the entire combat while warscythes ttickle his bum

Hey! My supporting unit is not fighting the Swarmlord. They're just healing the Avatar as he takes on Swarmy by himself.

 Happyjew wrote:
Hey! My supporting unit is not fighting the Swarmlord. They're just healing the Avatar as he takes on Swarmy by himself.

Are they an all female cast of cheerleading warlocks complete with witch pom poms?

Yes, yes they are.

 Happyjew wrote:
Yes, yes they are.

Someone has to model this, and put the avatar of Khaine in a football outfit.

Either American or International.

Black Legion Daemon Prince- Daemon of Tzeentch Skull of Kern'Gar, Spineshiver, M3 Psyker

If you get to choose Iron Arm and Warp Speed, I want them too. We are then looking at:
- Initiative 10 so going first
- 3 + D6 + D3 + charge Attacks when Smashing, average of 9
- S10 because Smash means likely wounding on a 2+, 3+ at worst
- When being hit back, has WS9, T6-8 and Eternal Warrior. You won't be killing him in a single turn
- Second round of attacks finishes the Swarmlord.



Also he can fly.

I had GHAZAKULL THRAKA go toe to toe with a iron armor Swarmy for 4 rounds course I was rolling my saves like a beast and I used waagh after the first round. that first round i had already lost half my wounds but then with that 2++ sv I lasted a while longer course he didn't have warp speed which might have made that a MUCH different game for me.


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Mozzamanx wrote:
Black Legion Daemon Prince- Daemon of Tzeentch Skull of Kern'Gar, Spineshiver, M3 Psyker

If you get to choose Iron Arm and Warp Speed, I want them too. We are then looking at:
- Initiative 10 so going first
- 3 + D6 + D3 + charge Attacks when Smashing, average of 9
- S10 because Smash means likely wounding on a 2+, 3+ at worst
- When being hit back, has WS9, T6-8 and Eternal Warrior. You won't be killing him in a single turn
- Second round of attacks finishes the Swarmlord.



Also he can fly.

Remember that unlike Swarmy your daemon prince rolls his powers 3D6 which puts anyone else at a disadvantage if they are trying to go powers vs powers.

 -Loki- wrote:
The basic method of dealing with him is 'shoot the gak out of him'. He's melee beatstick, and his primary use is area denial (basically because no one in their right mind wants to be in assault range). Trying to find a character that can deal with him 1v1 is pretty much impossible because he's the best 1v1 beatstick in the game. He's designed to beat everything else 1v1, and even do significant damage to melee units, even if they might eventually bring him down.

Basically, you're trying to accomplish your objective the hard way. Shoot him.

What he said.

Plus he has that great smash ability to deny fnp and cause instant deaths. Yes there are guys that have a shot of bringing him down in cc but most people would have to change around their list for the chance to do this. Its much easier to avoid him or shoot him.

 Rotary wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
The basic method of dealing with him is 'shoot the gak out of him'. He's melee beatstick, and his primary use is area denial (basically because no one in their right mind wants to be in assault range). Trying to find a character that can deal with him 1v1 is pretty much impossible because he's the best 1v1 beatstick in the game. He's designed to beat everything else 1v1, and even do significant damage to melee units, even if they might eventually bring him down.

Basically, you're trying to accomplish your objective the hard way. Shoot him.

What he said.

Plus he has that great smash ability to deny fnp and cause instant deaths. Yes there are guys that have a shot of bringing him down in cc but most people would have to change around their list for the chance to do this. Its much easier to avoid him or shoot him.

The Swarmlord automatically causes instant death via his bonesabres.