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Chapter Approved 2001 is what you want, iirc. I'll check later.

Wait, are we talking about the Redemptionists found in Second Book of the Astronomicon who are a powerful sect within the Ecclesiarchy. And preach a violent creed of persecution, paranoia and xenophobia and see humans as inherent sinners unless proven otherwise (by joining the Redemptionists). Also they frequently gather during a War of Faith so that hey may cleanse the Emperor's enemies with fire, plasma, and whirling blades! Those Redemptionists?

Just flipped through the 2004 one and it only had the Immolator in it. D:

 Psienesis wrote:
The white hair is, iirc, specific to the Order of Our Martyred Lady. It's a thing they do to honor Saint Katherine, the first Canoness of the Order, following the end of the Age of Apostasy.

But I'm not sure that that's ever actually been said in the fluff, pretty sure it's just a fan theory. Though it would make complete sense. Martyred Lady seems to have a thing for altering their colours to represent major events in their history. They made their armour black when Katherine died, and they made their robes red after fighting in Armageddon.

And, since they've come up, I'm predicting that Martyred Lady will be the first to get a supplement. Not that I mind too much. They're cool, but it'd be nice to see the other Orders get more of the spotlight. A Valorous Heart supp would probably be a lot of fun, so I'll wish for that, I guess.

Yeah, TBH, Martyred Lady has gotten the lion's (lioness' ?) share of attention from the studio and third-party companies for most of the faction's life.

This is the same Order that met the Necrons at Sanctuary 101, was the Order to which Canoness Praxedes belonged to prior to becoming a martyr, was present for the Third War of Armageddon, and is the home Order of boh Ephrael Stern *and* Miriael Sabathiel!

GW needs to spread the fame out to some other Orders Militant, methinks.

 Psienesis wrote:
Yeah, TBH, Martyred Lady has gotten the lion's (lioness' ?) share of attention from the studio and third-party companies for most of the faction's life.

This is the same Order that met the Necrons at Sanctuary 101, was the Order to which Canoness Praxedes belonged to prior to becoming a martyr, was present for the Third War of Armageddon, and is the home Order of boh Ephrael Stern *and* Miriael Sabathiel!

GW needs to spread the fame out to some other Orders Militant, methinks.

Yeah, they're our "Ultramarines".

 Psienesis wrote:
and is the home Order of boh Ephrael Stern *and* Miriael Sabathiel!

And Celestine. And Miriya.

Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, the fixation on ML is rather extreme. I hope that the new codex is more well-rounded, fleshing out the Orders more.

 Troike wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
and is the home Order of boh Ephrael Stern *and* Miriael Sabathiel!

And Celestine. And Miriya.

Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, the fixation on ML is rather extreme. I hope that the new codex is more well-rounded, fleshing out the Orders more.

Amen. I'm all for getting new fun history about other orders. Hell give a supplement to each of the 6 so we can have LOTS more history! I'll buy them all!

Here's the old redemptionist entry:



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20 Fearless dudes with 4 Eviscerators. Oh and they got faith so they could get 4+ FNP (or its equivalent) and rending and plusses to initiative, etc.

Umm. It is chapter approved 2002. I found a copy and am looking for a place to put it now.

AHa, found another one: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54418386/Warhammer-40k-Codex-Chapter-Approved-2002

Looks good. I still think the number should be 5-50 though.


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I'd totally pay 250 points for a mob of 50 guys to screen my army with.


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Okay...that and the points for the Priest and the 10 Eviscerators that'd be mixed in.

 pretre wrote:
Here's the old redemptionist entry:

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20 Fearless dudes with 4 Eviscerators. Oh and they got faith so they could get 4+ FNP (or its equivalent) and rending and plusses to initiative, etc.

Umm. It is chapter approved 2002. I found a copy and am looking for a place to put it now.

AHa, found another one: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54418386/Warhammer-40k-Codex-Chapter-Approved-2002

HOLY CRAP!

That is the WORST (best?) pile of cheese I have EVER seen!

160 points for 80 BS3, S7, AP4, 48", Twin-Linked shots per turn!? From man-sized infantry!?

How about having both Zealots and Redemptionists? They'd be like the difference between IG Conscripts and normal line infantry, so to say. We could either have them as two distinct units, or Redemptionists just being an "upgrade" to Zealots, both of them sharing an entry as "Frateris Militia".

I only used Zealots once, but it was very ... entertaining. When it comes to being cannonfodder, the IG can take a page from them. Had a blob of 20 in a line. Not one of them survived Turn 2, but the Sisters following behind catched little to no enemy fire.

Troike wrote:Like the different Major Orders, how they recruit

Recruitment was kind of dealt with in the background articles for Anastasia and Ephrael - but I certainly agree it deserves a reprint / to be fleshed out more.

ClockworkZion wrote:Amen. I'm all for getting new fun history about other orders. Hell give a supplement to each of the 6 so we can have LOTS more history!

Hmm, a bit split on this one. It's kind of the Sisters' thing that the Orders don't differ much from each other and about them sharing a single lineage and being connected through their origin on San Leor etc ...

How big are those supplements? Perhaps it could work if it's really just some history and maybe 1-2 special characters. Or a special relic that can be carried into battle by that Order? I wouldn't want them to feel too different from one another, but I suppose there may be some ways to differentiate them a bit... How about "variant" units that are slightly different than the standard (such as a special Dominion squad for the Bloody Rose), with a bit of background on how they came to be and a note that they are currently being evaluated for general adoption by the Sororitas, or that the Order was chastised for the breach of doctrine and that the primary Convent is currently debating the disbandment of those units? A sort of compromise between "we're kind of all the same" and "yeah new units!", if you will.

The part of me that went out and bought a book and four infantry models for nearly 200 dollars likes the "YEAH! New stuff!" part. The part of me that a week later went, "Oh Emperor, I spent nearly two hundred dollars on a thin book and no more plastic than would be used in a Tactical Squad..." is liking the "Yeah, they're all pretty much the same," part. But the part of me that is sad when my cuddlefox is sad is like, "Enh, I probably won't get the supplements regardless since I use totally custom fluff that might even contradict a major point about the Sororitas, so whatever makes the other people happy is fine." That part of me also goes, "Yay! Redemptionists and Zealots for other people!"

160 points for 80 BS3, S7, AP4, 48", Twin-Linked shots per turn!? From man-sized infantry!?

This..... this is how the Age of Apostasy came to an end.

Sebastian Thor got a *whole lot* of these 180 point mobs, and marched across the stars to Terra.

 Psienesis wrote:

160 points for 80 BS3, S7, AP4, 48", Twin-Linked shots per turn!? From man-sized infantry!?

This..... this is how the Age of Apostasy came to an end.

Sebastian Thor got a *whole lot* of these 180 point mobs, and marched across the stars to Terra.

: D

No, see, I'm playing silly for giggles by deliberately misinterpreting what an "exterminator" is.

I think I'm funny, but I'm not.

As far as I can tell, Ephrael Stern had white hair, and for a very long time she was the only Sister to appear in colour artwork aside from the original cover for Codex: SoB (who had black and white hair)... so most everyone, including the studio painters, decided that they should all have white hair as part of the uniform (although later art mixed things up a bit, and even in Daemonifuge there were Sisters with hair shaded to imply colour).

Ooh, there's something else for my Adepta Sororitas Wishlist!

The Daughters of the Emperor originally fought with bastard swords and heavy armour. So, I want a unit of Sororitas swordswomen hailing from San Leor itself!

 Lynata wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:Amen. I'm all for getting new fun history about other orders. Hell give a supplement to each of the 6 so we can have LOTS more history!

Hmm, a bit split on this one. It's kind of the Sisters' thing that the Orders don't differ much from each other and about them sharing a single lineage and being connected through their origin on San Leor etc ...

How big are those supplements? Perhaps it could work if it's really just some history and maybe 1-2 special characters. Or a special relic that can be carried into battle by that Order? I wouldn't want them to feel too different from one another, but I suppose there may be some ways to differentiate them a bit... How about "variant" units that are slightly different than the standard (such as a special Dominion squad for the Bloody Rose), with a bit of background on how they came to be and a note that they are currently being evaluated for general adoption by the Sororitas, or that the Order was chastised for the breach of doctrine and that the primary Convent is currently debating the disbandment of those units? A sort of compromise between "we're kind of all the same" and "yeah new units!", if you will.

Each Order has different unique histories, temperaments and I'm willing to bet relics. Even if it isn't much there is enough there to spice things up a bit.

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 pretre wrote:
Here's the old redemptionist entry:

Spoiler:

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20 Fearless dudes with 4 Eviscerators. Oh and they got faith so they could get 4+ FNP (or its equivalent) and rending and plusses to initiative, etc.

Umm. It is chapter approved 2002. I found a copy and am looking for a place to put it now.

AHa, found another one: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54418386/Warhammer-40k-Codex-Chapter-Approved-2002

HOLY CRAP!

That is the WORST (best?) pile of cheese I have EVER seen!

160 points for 80 BS3, S7, AP4, 48", Twin-Linked shots per turn!? From man-sized infantry!?

Lol Sisters basic infantry used to be able to outshoot everything... Imagine facing first turn and 120 autocannons shoot at you.

I'm missing something. How do you get eighty twin-linked autocannon shots out of a squad that can carry two autocannons per ten troopers at the most?

I'll post this, just because it's useful when discussing the different Orders.

 Lynata wrote:
Hmm, a bit split on this one. It's kind of the Sisters' thing that the Orders don't differ much from each other and about them sharing a single lineage and being connected through their origin on San Leor etc ...

I don't see it as too much of a problem. They're all still SoBs, fighting for the Ecclesiarchy and all just as faithful to their God. You won't get widely varying goals and organisation like with the Astartes, so there's little risk of "over diversifying" them.

 Lynata wrote:
How about "variant" units that are slightly different than the standard (such as a special Dominion squad for the Bloody Rose), with a bit of background on how they came to be and a note that they are currently being evaluated for general adoption by the Sororitas, or that the Order was chastised for the breach of doctrine and that the primary Convent is currently debating the disbandment of those units? A sort of compromise between "we're kind of all the same" and "yeah new units!", if you will.

Or you can just say that the the given units are just naturally better than their equivilants in other Orders, due to that Order's emphasis on that unit. There's not necessarily a need for "variants". For exmaple, Sacred Rose's thing about trying to keep a cool, rational head could translate into a buff on Retributors.Something like that wouldn't be particularly "new" or controversial in the Orders Militant, just Sacred Rose Ret's being better with their heavy weapons.

Or, to give another example, VH's excess of Repentia could unlock them as a troop choice (given they have so many) and perhaps buff them (could be explained as their Repentias becoming more skilled as a result of having more fellow Repentias to learn from, or something). Still nothing lore-breaking, but it would quite nicely differentiate them as a faciton.

ClockworkZion wrote:
Each Order has different unique histories, temperaments and I'm willing to bet relics. Even if it isn't much there is enough there to spice things up a bit.

There's more than enough, IMO. As you've said, they're already quite distinct. It is, quite literally, just a matter of fleshing them out. And they could really use it, as we've said. Too much Martyred Lady.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'm missing something. How do you get eighty twin-linked autocannon shots out of a squad that can carry two autocannons per ten troopers at the most?

i think they are misconstruing what an exterminator is. For reds they are one shot hand flamers not autocannons.

 pretre wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'm missing something. How do you get eighty twin-linked autocannon shots out of a squad that can carry two autocannons per ten troopers at the most?

i think they are misconstruing what an exterminator is. For reds they are one shot hand flamers not autocannons.

Not even.

Once per battle in the first round of an assault (whether they charge or get charged), they are used. The attack is worked out at Initiative 8 and are in addition to the models normal attacks. The roll needed to hit is based on the number of models firing (all models must fire), hit with Str 4, AP5.

Right, one shot flamers. That's what I said. Read the description. Little flame packs ontheir weapons. I have 60 of the damn things.

Bonus: you could make all cc attacks rend so the exterminators could rend as well. I made a lot of terminators cry back in the day. Like 80 normal rending and 20 chain fist attacks.


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And this was when you could consolidate into fresh combats. You either stopped the 40 crazies before they hit your dz or lost.

Except flamers are ranged weapons. These are more akin to Fletchette Launchers.

They could always use a unit with possibly 5+ or 4+ inv. saves. I was also thinking at the very least they should get artificer armor (that has a lot of holy art and emblems on it). They could definitely use more toys though. Something very fanatical, suicidal, full of martyrdom and insanity.

I still wish they got a martyrdom ability. Something like the more of them died the stronger they got. Dunno how they'd work it. Could work like if a squad gets some of its members killed it takes a leadership check and if passed gains something from martyrdom or a point towards it. In this way if somebody attacks multiple squads and doesn't take any out they all get martyrdom points.

I believe faith should still be in there (heh faith and believing). Possibly more craziness like a faith power can unlock inv. saves, to hit or to wound bonuses, higher toughness or armor, better initiative or movement or some sort of jetpack ability. I imagine they could have a sort of 'walking on water' faith power.

 pretre wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'm missing something. How do you get eighty twin-linked autocannon shots out of a squad that can carry two autocannons per ten troopers at the most?

i think they are misconstruing what an exterminator is. For reds they are one shot hand flamers not autocannons.

Deliberately, too. : D

And the Exterminator is a Leman Russ variant named for its turret weapon, the Exterminator Autocannon, which is like a twin-linked autocannon with double the normal number of shots.

Sometimes I like to play dumb because I think it'll make people laugh. Sometimes people call me a troll for it.

Psienesis wrote:

160 points for 80 BS3, S7, AP4, 48", Twin-Linked shots per turn!? From man-sized infantry!?

This..... this is how the Age of Apostasy came to an end.

Sebastian Thor got a *whole lot* of these 180 point mobs, and marched across the stars to Terra.

Exalted.

Troike wrote:Or you can just say that the the given units are just naturally better than their equivilants in other Orders, due to that Order's emphasis on that unit. There's not necessarily a need for "variants".

I'd actually prefer that - but do you think it's "cool" enough to be viable for a supplement? This is just a wild guess but I'd reckon they would aim to put something more "special" in there. But as I said, I have zero experience with the existing add-ons, so ...

Troike wrote:Or, to give another example, VH's excess of Repentia could unlock them as a troop choice (given they have so many) and perhaps buff them (could be explained as their Repentias becoming more skilled as a result of having more fellow Repentias to learn from, or something). Still nothing lore-breaking, but it would quite nicely differentiate them as a faciton.

Just give them this

flamingkillamajig wrote:Possibly more craziness like a faith power can unlock inv. saves, to hit or to wound bonuses, higher toughness or armor, better initiative or movement or some sort of jetpack ability. I imagine they could have a sort of 'walking on water' faith power.

Oh Emperor, no, anything but that! Their Acts of Faith are cool specifically because it's not obvious Space Magic but could also just be sheer badassness and luck (as the fluff actually says if you read carefully - "miraculous to the unschooled", "divine inspiration that drives them to unprecedented feats of prowess", ...).

It still irritates me to no end that somebody at FFG decided they should have them shoot lasers out of their eyes in that RPG.

Oh! I want to see the Repentia's Act of Faith become an army wide rule!


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It just kind of struck me as a way to do Martyrdom for the army in a way that would be very in character and kinda of awesome in a "If I die, I'm taking you with me." sort of way.

And it's not really unbalanced as it's 1 attack if killed before you attack and you still have to hit and wound as normal.


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Just change it from an Act of Faith you have to activate to something that's always active in the melee fighting sub-phase.

I just had to imagine how "Only in Death Does Duty End" would work out in a game. Imagine a wild mob of 30 chainsaw-swinging Repentias and a power-armoured Canoness + Command Squad charging you, and they all have a 5++ Invul Save, and in addition to this they have a 50% chance to simply ignore unsaved wounds.

Nasty.

I'm not too big on 'sisters of battle' but I think if nothing it could definitely have some aesthetic potential that most marine stuff just lacks. I'd imagine it like gothic artwork on power armor or artificer armor. Something ridiculously finely crafted....with possible burn marks on it hehe ;P (they do like flamers a lot).

Well do they have bolters with like incendiary rounds? Possibly give them specialty bolters that go through cover. We could also have what sternguard have or used to have. Give them like several sets of ammo and let them choose before shooting. For instance maybe they could have a gun that can be shot as a melta one turn and a flamer the next. That might be a bit stupidly strong though. Basically the flamer variant of the shot is just a melta shot that's spread out like a template rather than a single focused shot.

More incendiary variants of weapons. Maybe a type of weapon that's armor piercing and immolates something from the inside out? Would be interesting if it went through certain armor but if it hits could cause a wound from immolating inside said armor or some other suck thing.

Possibly an incense cloud that gives a cover bonus to sisters of battle. That sounds kind of dumb though. Then again GW has been known for dumber i'm sure.

I'd say give certain sisters a 'feel no pain' or something depending on how fanatical they are. Do repentia have it? Sorry I've been out of the loop for too long and never faced sisters for more than like 2-3 games.

They are a bit interesting though at least from an aesthetic perspective and acts of faith seem interesting.

I have to find it odd though. If sisters and their acts of faith aren't actual space magic then what exactly is 'the living saint'? If nothing else it's an advanced form of science bringing it back.

Anyway sisters need a dark elder reboot at this point. They could probably pull it off but nothing makes players hate an army more than sucking in-game or at least with certain models or units.

What about melee units for sisters that throw out a ton of strength 3 or 4 attacks. Kind of like a death company for sisters or like dark eldar wyches or striking scorpions for eldar.

Edit: I think my computer is auto-correcting my spelling for things like eldar.