Feel no Pain and Entropic Strike - How should it work?

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**Jimsolo**

Lobukia wrote:
Jimsolo wrote:
Let's try not to debate the rules here. There is already a thread for that, linked in the original post. This thread is just to gather numbers. (And attach a name to our opinions, if you feel the need.)

If no one posts, your poll disappears awful fast.

I'd prefer that in opposition to getting shut down by the moderators for being a duplicate thread. There's nothing wrong with people posting WHAT they voted, but it is detrimental both to this thread and the original one if we are splitting our rules arguments across them both.

**Bausk**

And recently a codex entry was brought forth in the debate thread. Lemates and his special rule, by the oppositions stand point he would retain his bonuses for the unsaved wound even if he made his fnp.

**PrinceRaven**

Bausk wrote:
And recently a codex entry was brought forth in the debate thread. Lemates and his special rule, by the oppositions stand point he would retain his bonuses for the unsaved wound even if he made his fnp.

Provided you ignore the fact that his rule activates after wound removal...

**Bausk**

It was mentioned by someone else, i don't own a blood angels codex so I wouldn't know. Just reporting happenings in the discussion thread.

**OIIIIIIO**

PrinceRaven wrote:
Bausk wrote:
And recently a codex entry was brought forth in the debate thread. Lemates and his special rule, by the oppositions stand point he would retain his bonuses for the unsaved wound even if he made his fnp.

Provided you ignore the fact that his rule activates after wound removal...

Errrr Wrong. Wanna go for Double Jeopardy?

I was the one who brought this rule up because it reads as follows:
Fury Unbound: if a foe harms Lemartes, the Chaplains rage grows stonger for the provocation. If Lemartes suffers an unsaved wound, but is not slain, his Strength and Attacks both immediately increase to 5.

Does not say anywhere in there bout being dropped down to a single wound only that he must suffer an unsaved wound. This is the main reason why I feel so strongly about ES NOT taking the armour away if you make your FNP roll. Lemartes would be a bad bastard if he was used this way.

**PrinceRaven**

"But is not slain"
Okay kids, let's see who can answer this question, how do we know if something isn't slain after an unsaved wound?
It also lacks the word "immediately", which is the primary reason why people think ES happens, well, immediately.

**OIIIIIIO**

PrinceRaven wrote:
"But is not slain"
Okay kids, let's see who can answer this question, how do we know if something isn't slain after an unsaved wound?
It also lacks the word "immediately", which is the primary reason why people think ES happens, well, immediately.

Oh my little sunshine,

Did you read the rule ... it DOES include the word immediately ....

So the way you want to play it:
He takes a wound, fails his save (unsaved wound) his attacks and strength go IMMEDIATLY to 5, then I roll FNP and make the roll, discount the wound as saved, but my attacks and strength are still 5 and yet I have two wounds still.

They way I would play it:
He takes a wound fails his save (unsaved wound) I roll FNP and am successful discount said wound as saved (because that is what FNP says) and have STR 4 and 2/3 attacks.

But is not slain really means nothing in this as far as your way of interpreting it goes ... means mucho grande in my way of interpreting though.

**Jimsolo**

PrinceRaven, OllllllO, let's save the debate for the other thread please. There's no reason for things to get heated; we're all friends here.

**PrinceRaven**

Fair enough, I clearly misread the rule. I still believe you need to wait until after the FNP roll because of the "is not slain" phrase, which is lacking in a certain other rule. If you wish to continue this debate I'll see you on the other thread.

**necronspurs2012**

it says if the model suffers an unsaved wound they lose their armour save, but if FNP was used to save it then technically it is not an unsaved wound so you do not lose your armour save