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 Psienesis wrote:

No one "gets one over" on Tzeentch.

A little girl and her dog got one over Tzeentch once. That was presumably a fluke, though.

Nurgle apparently screws up his plans sometimes (and not always on purpose). According to a WHFB novel, it's because he's so random sometimes that Tzeentch can't predict what he's going to do at times.

I'd dive in deeper, but most I've already covered. I'll extend this though; According to John French, powers can be brought to bare to hide the sight of Daemons. Now granted, this is Tzeentch we're talking about, but I'd differ to my earlier comment about "If he truly knew everything with absolute clarity, then he wouldn't have need Fateweaver or even had a Well of Eternity in the first place."

But from a literary stand-point: Say you wanted to kill a Chaos God, or better yet ALL of the Chaos Gods. How would you do it? Maybe use their own weapons against them in the form of once-again Thousand Sons/Blood Ravens led by Ahriman in an epic clash of Real Space and Warp?

That would seem fitting to me. >>

If he truly is the Lord of Change, wouldn't one of his (probably very-long-term) plots be even his own eventual end? Perhaps the plot is actually part of his plot? And he intends to 'lose'? I mean, how can you be the Lord of Change, but refuse to change yourself?

Didn't Tzeentch get what he wanted? Magnus.

For a planner/schemer, I don't find it unreasonable that the flesh change was a subtle nudge to continually push Magnus to the warp. Once he had the prize, who gives a feth about the small smattering of marines left.

Bharring wrote:
If he truly is the Lord of Change, wouldn't one of his (probably very-long-term) plots be even his own eventual end? Perhaps the plot is actually part of his plot? And he intends to 'lose'? I mean, how can you be the Lord of Change, but refuse to change yourself?

Actually, one of his goals according to an old novel is to use the Emperor's death to unite all the gods into a single being.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

No one "gets one over" on Tzeentch.

A little girl and her dog got one over Tzeentch once. That was presumably a fluke, though.

Nurgle apparently screws up his plans sometimes (and not always on purpose). According to a WHFB novel, it's because he's so random sometimes that Tzeentch can't predict what he's going to do at times.

Nurgle and Tzeentch are the diametric opposites of one another in the pantheon of Chaos. Nurgle is not a trickster, though, he doesn't "get one over" on Tzeentch, he simply does not fall for a plot or plan in the way that Tzeentch designed..... or did he? We are not capable of knowing.

If he truly is the Lord of Change, wouldn't one of his (probably very-long-term) plots be even his own eventual end? Perhaps the plot is actually part of his plot? And he intends to 'lose'? I mean, how can you be the Lord of Change, but refuse to change yourself?

Tzeentch changes all the time. That's why when he speaks, you only hear what you wanted to hear.... that doesn't mean you heard what Tzeentch said.

But from a literary stand-point: Say you wanted to kill a Chaos God, or better yet ALL of the Chaos Gods. How would you do it? Maybe use their own weapons against them in the form of once-again Thousand Sons/Blood Ravens led by Ahriman in an epic clash of Real Space and Warp?

Gods cannot be killed, not in the sense we mean by mortal agency. Daemons and the Gods they serve are on totally different levels. You might be able to hide yourself from a Lord of Change, but you're not hiding from *the* Lord of Change... after all, he already knows you're doing it, before you've even done it.

The idea that the Emperor was attempting to deny them out of reality entirely by ensuring that no one believed in them might have worked, given his success with the gods of other religions he'd exterminated, but we have no guarantee of that. In the end, it doesn't matter. He failed.

"If he truly knew everything with absolute clarity, then he wouldn't have need Fateweaver or even had a Well of Eternity in the first place."

Who says he "needs" it? He may just have these things because it amuses him to work in this way.