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I had one of those last time my Adepta Sororitas faced my mate's orks. We had three boards and five players, randomly selecting opponents and boards. The poor orks (footsloggers, 2 transports, a cannon battery and killa kan mob) had the misfortune of meeting my mechanized SoB on a nasty volcano board with rivers of molten lava.

It was a slaughter of epic proportions. Celestine and my Seraphim went at them, taking some losses on the way. Ork Warboss in a trukk w. boyz came all across the board right side, then my Dominions smoked the trukk which killed several boyz. A squad of regular sisters finished them off with bolter, flamer, heavy flamer. My jumpers took out the Kannon battery (well, it was actually an effective unit) and got pounded by the killa kans. A looted vehicle drove toward them and got immoblized in terrain. The kans charged the Seraphim and promptly lost one to overwatch (krak grenade) and another to melee (more krak). A huge mob was moving up on the right but between the Dominions and SoB there they were wiped out. Meanwhile another huge ork mob was strung out on the left while moving up toward my board edge. The Seraphim hit-and-ran to flame their rear while my other SoB squad hit their front - the mob all but disappeared. Then Celestine and the one remaining Seraphim went toward the last small ork mob guarding an objective. My opponent called it at this point, which I understoof all too well. I wouldn't have time to table him but he would soon have no scoring units while I had both intact - on objectives - and I also had Slay the Warlord, First Blood and Linebreaker.

While it felt good to see the SoB do their thing (burn stuff) it did feel bad to see how badly the board treated my poor opponent. If there wasn't so many difficult/dangerous terrain checks he'd have given me a much closer fight.

I must consume a thousand salty tears from mad opponents each and every day to remain alive.

Every victory is but a victory. Feel pity in my place, for I have none left.

Makumba wrote:

Arbiter_Shade wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:

But the game is about winning (especially in tournaments) so you shouldn't feel bad about it.

Sorry but, what? This is a game, games are about having fun. Winning and losing is part of the game but the goal should always be for both players to have fun whether it is in a tournament or pick up game. Why do people forget to have fun, that makes no sense...

I hope you don't feel like I am attacking you, I am just commenting on your statement as it struck me as odd.

Why do you people claim that wining or playing to win is somehow not fun or that it can't be fun , and that there are some sort of other hard to explain things ,specialy for tournaments , that are suppose to decide if a game is fun or isn't?

No one is saying it isn't fun for you to play to win, but often times it comes at the expense of the other player and whether you like it or not both players should be having fun in a game. Absolutely wiping someone off the board by the end of turn two is no fun for anyone involved and should be avoided. Yes, in a tournament winning is a little more important because there is money on the line but the goal of the game should always be to have fun, not just to win. If winning is your primary goal then you are WAAC, because that is what you care about. I doubt most people really put winning first and are looking to have fun first, that is why I pointed out how silly it was to say that the game is about winning.

Yeah so the best games should be draws , with both players pating each other shoulders saying we did good.

Yes, in a tournament winning is a little more important because there is money on the line but the goal of the game should always be to have fun, not just to win

Unless someone paints and gives you an army for free , and you play only at your home and opponent have to come to play when you want , then yes . "casual gaming' doesn't have money on the line . At all other moments money is always there .

What kind of a mind set is that . Being or trying to be the best is bad . Someone with a good list is a cheater , or at least that is implyed , because he is playing the game it isn't suppose to be played . Playing true to rules is bad and only TFG do it .How is the game suppose to be played with two guys trying hard not to win .And if a win does happen one has to cover it up with LoL random and use your own social standing in the community to show everyone that this is just a fluke my opponent got tabled turn 3 , that I no way mean to win this way again , that the win wasn't planed and all in all it is the dice gods foult it happened and for the tabled opponent let me make a fool of myself talling jokes , so he doesn't feel so bad.
Is that how the game is suppose to be played ?

My GW started an escalation league - 500 pt games for the first month.

My list was:

crisis commander: plasma rifle, fusion blaster, shield gen, stim injector, iridium armour, onager gauntlet
2x crisis suits (1 with 2x plasma, 1 with 2x fusion)
6x FW
6x FW
broadside with 2x missile drones

My opponent was blood angels with:

captain
sanguary priest
2x assault squads (7 man each I think)
landspeeder with flamers


The game was horrendously one sided with the landspeader blowing up early and each squad losing 2-3 marines before their assault. When he assaulted I overwatched another 2 marines off each squad. He ended up wiping a firewarrior squad, but then my crisis team charged his assault squad with captain. Challenged his captain, one shotted it with the onager gauntlet....

I lost 6 fire warrior and killed everything. The worst part is he challenged me to a rematch the next week and it was the same outcome except he killed the broadside with drones instead of the firewarrior team. Just a bad match up at 500 pts.

 Badablack wrote:
I must consume a thousand salty tears from mad opponents each and every day to remain alive.

Every victory is but a victory. Feel pity in my place, for I have none left.

Sorry mate, still wont make you tough guy in reality

I've only had one game where I tabled someone, and it was a close frined of mine, so it was that much worse. When the game isn't fun for either player, why even keep playing it. Call it a day, discuss both of your mistakes, and move on to the next game.

Ad topic... one thing is to steamroll experienced opponent. It happens, bad list synergy, big difference in dice magic...and its no fun. Because when I steamroll opponent (in any game, not just WH40K), its just means there was no challenge, just boring one-sided battle in which at least one player for probably frustrated. But it happens. And at tournaments, it usually means losing side was rather naive, if he knew meta.

But steamrolling beginner is simply wrong. Sometimes, after horrendous lose, the guy just pack his models and goes home to never return. Because he spen money on something he clearly really, really sucks at. Otherwise he wouldnt be smashed by such margin. Or he doesnt want to ashame himself anymore (not understanding it just happens). I have learned it hard way in WHFB. My brother-in-law loved to punish my DE army wth his shooting empire. On table without terrain I was slaughtered again and again and again making only impact with one warmachine. So much fun... So I dropped whole DE army, built Skaven shooters and smashed his imperial butt. And after that sold DE because they seemed so weak...and nobody tried to give me air chance to know their abilities. My friend was in worse situation. He built VC army, went to local gaming shop...and was slaughtered by digged in shooting empire of the shop owner. With giggling crowd around. So he went home, sold models on ebay and it was end for him with WH. In final he lost money and chance to play fun game, I lost mate for playing and interest to play in such community and schop lost a lot of money from new players. Lose-lose situation, but I guess the shop owner has great feeling about "every victory counts".

Not 40k, but I did feel a bit bad after using demigryphs, a block of IC knights and a Steam Tank against my friend's casual Orc & Goblins list..

But as an excuse, I did ask him if he minded me trying out a cheesy list and he said it was alright. I also told him what i planned on bringing etc, but not much to beat a STank at 1000 points.

Arbiter_Shade wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:

But the game is about winning (especially in tournaments) so you shouldn't feel bad about it.

Sorry but, what? This is a game, games are about having fun. Winning and losing is part of the game but the goal should always be for both players to have fun whether it is in a tournament or pick up game. Why do people forget to have fun, that makes no sense...

I hope you don't feel like I am attacking you, I am just commenting on your statement as it struck me as odd.

I'm saying that from my perspective of being the guy who loses with no chances. I don't mind. If you try to win the game and win it, that makes a good game.
If you are intentionally ruining your opponents day, it's different.


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 JakeCWolf wrote:
"You strive for victory. That is obvious. What may be less obvious is the nature of victory. There are circumstances in which you can destroy the enemy utterly, without loss to your own forces, and yet the victory may be his. In all situations, you must first decide on the nature of victory, and then take steps to secure it. Avoid the instinct of fight first and think later." Leman Russ - (Meditations, Book VI)

Just this.

Makumba wrote:
Yeah so the best games should be draws , with both players pating each other shoulders saying we did good.

Well duh. This thread asked about victories that made you feel bad, not if you always should feel bad about winning. If you're cold enough that you never ever feel bad for crushing another player, even if it's a 12-year old with his starter kit army vs your 12-year project with well chosen units then more power to you. Why are you wasting your time playing 40K when you could lead an international corporation to world domination?

Thats usually how i am. I prefer close games, i despise steam rolls whether im causing it or receiving it. No challenge, no fun.

Thats why i wont triple riptide unless its a 2500+ game. Reluctant on duo riptides even, though i do it right now because i dont have the crisis suits in a usable state atm lol.

Thats honestly the only reason i still play my orks. I can field whatever the hell i want and not worry about steamrolling my opponent since unless he royally fethed up or just happened to bring a bad army to mine (rare), orks dont ravage their opponenets anymore. Im 50-50 with them in the local area i moved to a few months ago, but all my wins were close as feth and most of my losses were facestomps.

From experience I think I enjoy draws the most... not too many victories achieved yet, but once my "dream list" is complete this should change.

I'm going to buy a single Heldrake to boost my list, but I won't use it every game. I have Raptors to fill the Fast Attack slot when necessary, for instance when playing with someone inexperienced. Hard-won victories are rewarding, but steamrolling the opponent doesn't feel right.

I started thinking back on the issue and realized that for the most part all the games I've felt bad about winning have something in common.

When 6th first hit I went against a CSM player with the old tau dex and a Broadside sniped off a Deamon prince of Nurgle. Again I seized the initiative and managed to one shot the deamon prince with a broadside. The guy thought that being a prince of nurgle made it T6, and I offered to let him redeploy since this was before my turn actually began.

Next game was an escalation game, I think around 1850, against a SW player that deployed a large squad of TWC in the open. Again, old school broadsides took a few down and the rest ran off the board. Guy lost his warlord and a huge chunk of his army right off the bat.

And then the most recent with the Swarmlord going down to a single round of shooting.

All three games really just because someone put a lot of points into a unit that I was really worried about, they left in the open, and then I shot it until it went away.
I mean I still feel bad that their big shiny unit didn't do anything in the game, but I really don't think I can feel bad in hindsight. Even against this last game, I don't think the guy realized that I deployed almost perfectly for him, if I didn't kill the big bad bug it would have been in my face in one turn and had me trapped in a corner.

I tend to be destroyed pretty easily by the majority of my opponents playing my army (Orks), however they are my friends and will usually cripple their own lists to give me chance - which is nice, if a bit depressing.

For example, I have a friend who plays Tau, but against me will refuse to bring Markerlights or will use them very sparingly.
Similarly, against my Dark Eldar player they will try to at least put in one silly unit so they don't run rings around me all game.
My CSM friend takes only 1 Heldrake. Because he isn't a d**k.

Yes, I'm terrible.

Edit: Also terrible at spelling.

Yeah i know a guy whos favorite thing in the world is a commissar. He loves them. And yet our group often jokes how he is likely the first to be executed because in just about everything we play he is the first to give up. It makes you want to step lightly in games with him.

A lot of my fun in these games is making sure that both players are having a good time. If I just pulverize someone over and over (in any game, not just 40k) they likely aren't going to enjoy it and then not want to play again and then the only person who really loses out is you.

But in a tournament settings its different. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I'm personally not a fan of a Tau/Eldar list just because of the hurt I know they can put out, but I faced such a list in my last tournament and won. That was because he paid more attention to killing my flashy units and not the objectives. That being said as many others have also stated, it was a tournament, they are naturally scenarios where the goal is to win so you can bring the cheesiest legal list you want.