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But I am not applying rules from DH to WH nor vice versa. I am applying rules from WH to WH... and they says that an Inquisitor is required to field an Assassin.

If you are taking a C:WH rule to apply to a DH Inquisitor, then you ARE taking the rule from one codex and applying it to a unit from another. An Inquisitor selected from Codex DH is NOT a WH Inquisitor. Therefore the rules in Codex WH do not apply to him.

Neither in SW dex nor in Eldar or Tau they have allowed to use any troops from the other armies.

Sure they do.

Alaitoc Eldar are allowed to take Pathfinders... nowhere does it say which codex these come from. So they could be Tau Pathfinders, rather than Eldar Pathfinders.

SW must take an 'HQ' for every 750 points. Again, nowhere does it say which Codex that HQ must come from, so a Space Wolf army can obviously include a Daemon Prince and an Ork Painboss as its HQs.

If it works for the goose...

Well...

If  you want to compare apples with oranges it is your constitutional right to do it.

Posted By insaniak on 04/09/2006 3:07 PM
SW must take an 'HQ' for every 750 points. Again, nowhere does it say which Codex that HQ must come from, so a Space Wolf army can obviously include a Daemon Prince and an Ork Painboss as its HQs.



Wow, now I have a use for all the figs I got in the Enemies of the Imperium box set years ago.  I'm gonna have a Necron Lord and a Farseer lead my Wolves into action.  Fortune/ Guide and C'tan weapons for ALL!!!!!  Don't forget that you can take bodyguards often as part of an HQ.  Perhaps I'll just take an Archon with Incubi.

Obviously, I agree with insaniak. 

Oh, and the WH codex specifically states that never may any army field 2 assassins (other than Deathcults obviously).

Posted By insaniak on 04/08/2006 5:51 PM

P1: Per RAW, you must to field an Inquisitor to be allowed an Assassin.

P2: Also per RAW you can take in your WH force an inquisitor from DH.

You left out:

P3: The rules in a given codex apply only to units selected from that codex.

Your P3 is without basis in the rules. Thus, conclusions based upon that are not supported.

Look, there's obviously a huge divide between the two thoughts here. Frankly, however, the only way I can see your argument working is by adding words: "DH" and "WH" in front of "Inquisitor" or adding a rule that says you only use from one codex, which we know is not true here - they are specifically allowed as allies. If we're adding words, then I propose instead that we add the word "any" in front of "Inquisitor" instead, to make it perfectly clear.

People are looking to the Pathfinder rule for support that the Assassin-Inquisitor rule is not fully written; that is backwards. Just because one rule situation is improperly written doesn't mean that every other rule is badly written. Should they have written "Eldar" in front of the "Pathfinder" in the Eldar book? Actually, they shouldn't have had the two named the same - usually GW is very careful to not duplicate names. I suspect that was were the rule got messy.

On the other topic, you can only have one assassin per detachment, so no, you can't have more than one assassin, unless taking two detachments. The limit isn't a 0-1 in each codex.

Your P3 is without basis in the rules. Thus, conclusions based upon that are not supported.

It's without a written rule to back it up, yes. I don't agree that it's without basis in the rules, however, as without it, the entire army selection process breaks down.

When an army list tells you that you need to take certain units (usually an HQ and two Troops) it doesn't actually specify that these must come from the codex you currently have open. That's just assumed to be the case, because that's just how it works... Otherwise, you get my Space Wolf example.

This is the same thing. The fact that other Inquisitors from different codexes can be taken as allies is irrelevant. You can take Space Marines as allies as well... they don't suddenly start using WH or DH rules.

Actually, they shouldn't have had the two named the same - usually GW is very careful to not duplicate names.

After another look, technically, they didn't.
The Eldar are Path-finders
The Tau are Pathfinders

Obviously not the same thing

After another look, technically, they didn't.
The Eldar are Path-finders
The Tau are Pathfinders

Obviously not the same thing

Following this logic, then, I'm going to take Psychic Powers from the DH codex when I select my WH Inquisitor.  Clearly, it says in the Ordo Malleus Psychic Power page:

"Any Inquisitor, Inquisitor Lord, or Grey Knight Hero can take a single psychic power..."

Even though it is in the DH codex, on the "Ordo Malleus Psychic Powers" page, it doesn't specify that only Ordo Malleus =I=s can select from this list in the text (and thus the RAW).  This opens all kinds of possibilities

Obviously I'm with Insaniak on this one.

Exactly, just because there is a small section of the codex that lets you take units from another codex doesn't mean you can apply it to the whole army list.  Orks can take looted vehicles from other army lists in the same way that WH can take units from the DH list, but you can't go on to say that Ork vehicles can take upgrades from any army list, and you can't go on to say that units taken from the DH list fulfill requirements in the WH list. 

- Oaka