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 jy2 wrote:
Run a dimachaeron and sweep his brick in assault. Instant Death means -1 to their RP checks, meaning that they have a 5+ RP instead of a 4+ RP in the Decurion detachment.

I don't have one I'll probably proxy next game and give it a go, but it doesn't feel very reliable. Even with a Tyrranocyte and good placement I find it hard to believe that it will get to the Warriors before the Wraiths get to it if he's playing remotely smart with the Wraiths. I guess I could hope to drag them outside of RP range. Even if it doesn't get to the Warriors it would tie up the wraiths for a good bit and maybe whittle them down. We'll see.

BTW, take out his spider with your flyrants first if possible. He loses the spider and then his wraiths lose their RP as well.

According to my maths it takes 36 HITS from S6 shooting to take out the Spyder if it has RP. So that's 1 turn of pretty much all my shooting and more than likely a second turn for one of the Flyrants to take it out. Of course, if I go first it should be doable with three Flyrants since the Spyder will not have RP, but is it worth giving up second turn and final say on objectives for that? I'm not sure.

Well with the 18" range of the devs i only see you getting two shooting phases at best unless you can get some terrain between you and them. Which probably wont be enough time to whittle them ddown given rp. Maybe raveners or shrikes? I Dont know exactly how that would work, but i imagine you just want volume of attacks sknce they have A 3++

 jy2 wrote:

Ok guys, the wait is over. The tournament is here and the army I will be running at the LVO will be:

Spoiler:

Sweeeet. Although I was kind of partial to the Fluff Killahs.

Good luck! Bring one home for the Hive Mind!

Eldercaveman wrote:
Panic stations.

What do we do against Wolfstars?

Go second, stay in the air (assuming FMC spam), and kill everything else I imagine. Might be a little tougher for barbed heirodule lists, but i feel like all that S10 shooting should at least put a dent in it. Although an EW character up front might be problematic. Still flyrants are mobile enough to bypass tanks and can start putting wounds on the normal dudes

Eldercaveman wrote:

iNcontroL wrote:
tag I played my hive tyrants the same way... there is more of an argument to be made but yeah I gave up on it as well.


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ALSO SEAN you've inspired me to try goofy things as well! I am going to the Broadside Bash which is a hugely comp'd and fluffy tourney but a full GT with ITC points where I will bring 45-60 Manufactorum genes hahah. I can't imagine it is super competitive but it sounds fun and is an excuse to work with the mawloc/lictor combo you showed off.

Undecided what I will do with my main list. I dropped 1 game due to rules "cheating" (he did it on accident) and another loss was silly dice (Swarmlord held in combat for 3 game turns by 1-2 legion of the damned) where had it gone on to 6+ I would have won handily. Tourneys like that where you don't do well but COULD HAVE make you think about your list :(

Geoff I've posted up here a few times about a crazy MSU Genestealer list I've wrote and haven't had chance to run yet, despite having all the models. You should give it a try out.

1850 points

Flyrant Electrogrubs, Devourers
Flyrant Electrogrubs, Devourers
Flyrant Electrogrubs, Devourers

Malonthrope

5 x Genestelaers, Broodlord
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers

Manafactorum Genestealers

5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers
5 x Genestealers

I've played a couple variations on this theme at 1500 points and it was a lot of fun. Not the uber-est or anything, but you guys already know that.

First time I did 2 Flyrants, Vope, 2x Zopes, 4x 5 Genestealers, Dakkafex in a Pod, and 5x 5 Manufactorum Genestealers. That game was against Eldar and I won pretty handily. Infiltrating 9 squads literally all over the board is both fun and hilarious. I imagine its even more so with 14 lol.

Second time was 3 Flyrants, 2x Vope, Zope, 4x 5 Genestealers, and 5x 5 Manufactorum Genestealers. This time I was up against a Newcron Decurion for the first time, and man that was a learning experience lol. I had read the codex already and had an idea of how durable they were going to be, but seeing it play out on the table was eye opening. Damn things just don't go down. He was running a Rec Legion with Overlord, 2x 20 Warriors, 5x Immortals, 2x Night Scythes, 4x Tomb Blades, 10 Flayed ones, and a Canoptek Harvest w/ 4 Wraiths. This time I only deployed 2 'Stealer squads and outflanked the rest because I didn't want to give the Wraiths a turn 1 charge, and I didn't want them stuck in my backfield either. I mitigated the wraiths by ouflanking a couple squads near an objective in his corner, but away from the rest of his force. The Flyrants just could not do enough damage to those warrior bricks to get him off objectives and a lucky round of shooting by one Night Scythe followed by a bad round of saves for me cost me my Warlord. The Flayed Ones just waltzed up the board and mulched my backfield. Probably should have killed those guys first and it would have been a closer game. The other 6 squads of 'Stealers outflanked into cover near his warrior bricks, but came in piecemeal so I was never able to put enough wounds in an assault to get a sweeping advance off. I could have played it better, but I do think that DecurionCrons with a strong ground game are going to be tough for Flyrant Spam Nids to deal with.

tag8833 wrote:

zerosignal wrote:
This is where having decent obsec units actually counts - necron decurions are incredibly resilient, but their damage output isn't that high. I think this was a conscious move on GW's part to try to balance minimum troop armies.

That is how I kept it even until Turn 4. My Gants and rippers were scoring fools. The thing about OS scoring, though is it can be assaulted, and Lychguard, Wraiths, or Praetorians will kill most anything that they assault.

I'm worried if necrons remove the viability of large swaths of missions. For instance, try winning the Relic against big blocks of scoring, unkillable infantry. Its like end of game scoring vs Eldar Jetbikes. It is going to create a very big challenge for mission construction.

So this. I've been saying it since the first game I had against Newcrons. They're super durable in a CAD and stupid Durable in a Decurion. It really doesn't matter if they're not super killy if you're playing Eternal War missions as a primary in a Tournament format. They'll outlast just about anything. Their durability also makes it hard to steal First Blood from a well built Cron army which we all know is highly valuable at most competitive events.

Tyranids don't seem to have very many options that deal with bricks of Warriors well, much less the hard hitters like Wraiths, Praets, or Lychguard. Who knows maybe Mawloc spam will be the new black for Nids once lean and mean Newcron armies starting taking to the tables at tournaments.

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok thanks guys. I forgot to cross-reference the third section of the rules to find out what the one does. I should know better by now. And I have some caffeine in me so I'm more rational and less hungry.

Honestly, though, what I'd like to talk about is the list that Nick Nanavati has been playing. That scares the crap out of me even more than Necron Decurion. Sean can probably shed some light on how to beat this, and I almost wound up tying it myself with my 4 flyrant variant of Sean's list, but it's bonkers:

Fateweaver
Herald of Tzeentch - Exalted Reward, Lesser Reward, Disc, Lvl 3
Herald of Tzeentch - Disc, Lvl 3
Herald of Nurgle - Locus of Fecundity (Feel No Pain for unit), Greater Reward, Lvl 2
Herald of Nurgle - Greater Reward, Lvl 2

11x Horrors
10x Horrors

8x Screamers
8x Screamers
8x Plague Drones with Champion - Venom Sting. Champion has a greater reward

Inquisitor - 3x Servo Skulls

I'm was in love with that list as soon as I saw the battle report his buddy wrote up that featured it. What do Daemons need now that Deathstars "aren't as good any more"? MOAR DEATHSTARS!!!

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
What do they have going for them now? Work has it to where I just cant keep up. : /

EDIT: Against Tyranids, I should ask.

A quad gun equivalent upgrade, and the new Gatling gun which is Str 6 Ap3 Heavy 12, Rending!

Eeesh the gatling thing isn't skyfire is it?

Eldercaveman wrote:

Benlisted wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:I was supposed to be but had to drop out, I ran one in Leicester a couple of weeks before though.

That's unfortunate - I think I heard about that event though, how did it go? What list were you planning to run at WS10?

Not sure to be fair, their rules changes with squadrons and source limit classifications kind of killed me and couple others keen for the event. I see you ran into Ryland's Daemons in Round 5!

My event went really well, Ryland finished second there with the Daemon list, he and 2 others bought identical lists, one of them won the whole thing. It's a brutal Highlander list.

What was the list pray tell? Ive been needing some inspiration for daemon lists as I'm kind of in a rut.

Looks like jy2 has best Tyranids in the bag! Congrats, man!

Can't wait to hear about your game with Pajamapants.

As long as the model has a BS it can use the quad gun I'm pretty sure.

 krootman. wrote:
Everyone ready for nova? I just got my 2nd ed hive tyrant ready to go

Hahaha I have a 2nd ed Tyrant as well but I've never used it 'cause it feels dirty.

Ok yeah I could see using him with a scenic base. Totally gonna do that to up to 4 Flyrants! Just wish I had the right models for a supporting ensemble :( and I aint got no moneys to spend on 'Nids right now.