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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 15:12:15
Subject: Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Don't let him stomp your spirit. Just realize that the Eldar are quite OP at the moment and now matter how badly he beats you it's only really a half victory for him due to codex disparity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 15:44:55
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Big Blind Bill wrote:You have quite a few rhinos there. Now whilst they will get absolutely destroyed by waveserpents, I suggest you use them just to try and block line of sight to your foot slogging units.
So you advice to deploy rhino/razorback empty and use them only as a walking wall, or embark the squad inside "for survivability"? (embarked troop survive the first volley)
Big Blind Bill wrote:
You will need some kind of shooting to cut down their numbers, because assaulting them is very, very difficult.
mmmmhhhh ok
i suppose tactical squad is not enough to cut down their number
a standard predator?
i can arrange some points (ie removing a priest) and also remove a baal predator to get a lascannon predator. or some similar thing...
if he start running around the table don't think i can catch his jetbike and fast moving veichle so i suppose i will need to spread my units and cover biggest area possible. and run for objective ofc...
dracpanzer wrote:
Not sure if its too late, but if he usually runs the WK, 4+ wave serpents and jetbikes (possibly seer/lock deathstar?) he's playing a fairly competitive list.
He's a fair player; he also also offered me some help
so i don't really think he will use a competitive tournament list. It's likely he will bring a "for fun" list
i only said i know he got WK and waveserpent, but i dunno if he will bring them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 15:59:47
Subject: Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Don't spread your army early unless he has a lot of blast weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 17:23:25
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Read up on using rhinos.
Take this article for example: http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2011/05/rhino-tactica/
This is by no means the only thing rhinos can do, there are many guides out there. Automatically Appended Next Post: This page has a few ideas for you too. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/11/40k-tips-tricks-dirty-tactics-by.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 17:49:48
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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cool the rhino tactic  in the list i did so far (the one i posted up) i use only one razorback; should i squeeze in another rhino? someplace i read the best use for razorback is buy it with devastator and put behind cover/ ADL to barrage fire (ie a lot of heavy bolter shot) but really don't seems a good idea against eldar but i'm thinking about bike and squad: if my goal is to split bike unit into 2 squad... why don't buy 2 5-bike unit instead? if i buy a single squad and split them i got - a squad with 2 melta, 1 bolter, 1 attack with multi melta - a squad with 5 bolter but if i buy 2 squad i can assemble - 1 unit with 2 melta, 1 bolter, 1 attack with multi melta - 1 unit with 2 melta, 3 bolter i gain 2 melta for just 15 point more!!  however, they cost 2 fast attack slot so i should use only 1 baal :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/15 12:18:34
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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ok, he told me he will probably play a mechanized list. good to know
so i think i'll swap a baal predator for a lascannon predator, or for stormraven if i can squeeze enough point
dunno if scout are still a good choice: i like the scout and i think are greatly underestimated; they are scoring, they wound at 4+ making them high valuable against high toughness unit like bike or MC, and they are survivable thanks to camo cloak
but
vs a mecha are not really good and 90 points can give more space for bigger guns...
so far this is my Fire and Melta list:
- Assault I -> with jump pack, 2x flamer, veteran got 2x hand flamer, priest with hand flamer
- Assault II -> same as before
they will be deployed in cover (hoping for) and jump assault to get objective or to came closer possible to his troops and fire them to ashes (5 templat weapon woot!!)
i can think about squadding them for more coverage (it depends on the mission, number and size of covers, etc)
- Tactical -> with flamer and missile; flamer and 4x bolter inside a razorback (heavy flamer) while sergeant and missile and 3x bolter hold ground in the back
- Bike -> aka the melta bike, with 2x melta, attack bike with multi melta, sergeant and priest with power weapon (maybe axes, 'cause eldar got higher Initiative, but maces could be good too for the +2 S that's good against tank).
they got priest in the unit and also librarian with shield and blood lance psyonic powers. I can squad them (one squad with melta, the other one to protect against troop) so as long as i keep them in 6" range they all benefit from priest's FNP and librarian's 5++
- Baal Predator -> with flamestorn and heavy flamer; deployed on table and scout forward but i can also think about reserve and outflanking, again it depend on mission and terrain
- Stormraven -> going from reserve with twin lascannon and twin melta.
i got also 30 point i can invest in hurrican bolter sponsoon for stormraven or a better equip for some sergeant/priest/libby
i'm a bit worried about hand flamer: S3 AP6 looks like a totally crap for me, but i see eldar are not tough guys and with 2x template i can have faith in high numbers of dice rolled...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/15 22:31:57
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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Yeah, BA vs eldar isnt going to stack well. One thing you have is fast vehicles, Unless hes running 500 points and you 1500 he hast the upper hand so maybe 3 vindicators? hahaha. It's still doable but with jetbike and waveserpent spam we all kinda pale
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 23:55:50
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Ok, battle done.
he was playing with 4 wave serpent, 1 wraithknight and one jetbike squad (plus a lance squad that did'nt last very long)
we rolled for mission... destroy the xeno, aka kill'em all; so my strategy "goes for objective" was gone x_x
deployement was vanguard strike and we rolled very few terrains object; luckily we both placed a lot of cover on the "central area", and most of the game was played here
i goes first, and first turn was terrible: wraithknight annihilated my assault I and waveserpents shooted down my razorback; assault II and baal was on the other side of the table so they did only run.
On the second turn, stormraven came and started blasting on the wraithknight; same things did melta-bike but he resisted and charged an assault against bike. challenged my priest and he refused, conscious that will be killed. with a bit of luck, squad lost morale test and fled for about 10", enough to be free. waveserpents attacked one tactical combat squad and remnant of assault I. warp spider came from deep strike and immobilised baal predator. Spear-thing jetbike came from outflank
On the third turn thanks to ATSKNF bike recovered, shoot with melta to wraithknight (and with a bit of unluck they did nothing -_-). Stormraven gone hover to stay on place and shoot lascannon and missile to wraithknight, and he was toasted. Multi-melta exploded a waveserpent and killed 2 of the dire guardian inside. Assault II assaulted warp spider after a flamer roasting, while baal was outside from everything. Then he killed my stormraven with a fire dragon squad (i forgot jink save!! @#£$%& ok probably he would be dead anyway...), charged baal with his farseer and Baal... survived!!! Immortal predator!! Jetbikes assaulted assault squad already in combat with warp spider, jetbike with lance assaulted my bike and here we had only a big royal rumble
On fourth turn my assault killed all warp spiders, made jetbike run from table and baal almost managed to kill farseer (he was gone to 1w...). Bike and tactical crunched spear-jetbikes; then he started shooting down all my no-more-on- CC units. At the end of 4th round we decided to stop.
Total: he 11, me 7. Not a bad result...
in the end the game was funny and i also had some satisfaction; bike squad work fine, and stormraven proved to be very useful. Baal did nothing but was bad deployed and i did some serious mistake (like using smoke launcher on first turn).
this army list work and i could adapt easily to more game. i need to test it again against some other codexes
i got other questions but i think will create new post more specific
ty for your help!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/17 00:25:50
Subject: Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Glad it worked out for you. That's a tough eldar list to beat. Shame about the mission, I feel that purge the alien really hurts CC armies who will otherwise gain benefit despite loosing large portions of thier armies by bunching enemy up in thier own deployment zone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/17 09:54:17
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Wraithknight can't challenge - he's not a character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 18:33:01
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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yesterday i did a rematch with a little difference: removed baal and razorback and added inquisitorial chimera with 3x melta acolyte and 3x MM servitors
it was almost a disaster...
ok inquisitorial did a good job, but they managed to kill only warp spiders 'cause wraithknight assaulted my ASM and 1 of them resisted with no flee (they shall know no fear... NOOO YOU MUST KNOW FEAR IF I'M POINTING 6 MELTA TO YOUR ENEMY!!! -_- darn marines...)
bike resisted until the end of second turn, but they got decimated: he attacked them with all his waveserpents while bike locked my second asm in place.
at the end of second turn i got only few marine standing and all in crapish position where he could crush them easily. so i surrended...
;_;
i fear i need to change something...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 22:06:22
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Coteaz + 5 jokaero + 5 acolytes wtih bolters in chimera is pretty cool. 5 twinlinked lascannons a turn with the possibility ignores cover (or 4++ isn't too bad). Also they are scoring and they can overwatch with 5 heavy flamers  good times. Put it on a skyshield for more fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 10:25:33
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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why twinlinked?
btw it's 350 points... of course it's worth u_u
One little question about jokaero customisation: if i got 5 jokaero, i roll the table with +4... so i'll get only the 5++ roll, that's good i know, but if i roll a 6 total i get double roll but i can always only roll 5... or i'm missing something?
and another question: what is skyshield?
PS i got no jokaero miniatures ;_;
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 12:07:54
Subject: Re:Save my BA from pwnage vs Eldar :)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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each-uisge wrote:why twinlinked? btw it's 350 points... of course it's worth u_u One little question about jokaero customisation: if i got 5 jokaero, i roll the table with +4... so i'll get only the 5++ roll, that's good i know, but if i roll a 6 total i get double roll but i can always only roll 5... or i'm missing something? and another question: what is skyshield? PS i got no jokaero miniatures ;_; Coteaz is level 2 psyker so you take 2 diviniation powers, one will always be prescience (primaris - rerolls to hit) and the other could be ignores cover, 4++ or 'reroll to hit, to wound and saving throws on coteaz'. Note that Prescience it is rerolls to hit though not twin linked so it won't affect the flamers (I shouldn't have said twin linked really). With 5 Jokaero you are very unlikely to get anything from 'jokaero customisation' (only if you roll a 1 on any of your dice) but that doesn't really matter, you are taking them for thier lascannons and heavy flamers. I play traitor guard themed imperial guard / Inquisitors so I have converted some cultists to look infected with the obliterator virus (see below). But if you don't want to buy 5 monkey models from GW (understandable) you might convert beastmen or some other kit.
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