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 PipeAlley wrote:


Right now I'm playing 3 Mobs of Lootas in 3 Looted Wagons on a Landing Pad. I could easily fit a MANz missile Trukk on the back behind the LW's. Might have to do that this week. Last week my opp. sent 2 full pods of Grey Hunters after my Lootas, this might help as a counter-attack unit.

Loota with a looted weapon in a looted wagon on a looted pad.
Also, it can sometimes roll forward and fall off...accidentally. I imagine how happy the lootas would be! Think they won't stop shooting even while falling from a landing pad.

koooaei wrote:Loota with a looted weapon in a looted wagon on a looted pad.
Also, it can sometimes roll forward and fall off...accidentally. I imagine how happy the lootas would be! Think they won't stop shooting even while falling from a landing pad.

Hahahahaha... thank you for that image.

 koooaei wrote:

 PipeAlley wrote:


Right now I'm playing 3 Mobs of Lootas in 3 Looted Wagons on a Landing Pad. I could easily fit a MANz missile Trukk on the back behind the LW's. Might have to do that this week. Last week my opp. sent 2 full pods of Grey Hunters after my Lootas, this might help as a counter-attack unit.

Loota with a looted weapon in a looted wagon on a looted pad.
Also, it can sometimes roll forward and fall off...accidentally. I imagine how happy the lootas would be! Think they won't stop shooting even while falling from a landing pad.

That actually happened last week. I keep a 10 grot mob in front of the wagons normally but my Opp killed enough that one wagon did roll all the way across the board. Which was good because it allowed the Lootas to get side shots at a Tau Tank which was all for nought because it was in Ruins with the extra +1 to his save and you KNOW he rolled a 3 against the one Pen Hit!! So yeah that Tau upgrade for vehicles, totally worth it.

I love this game!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
I wonder if a group of Cyborked Stormboyz with a Zagstruk and Nob could survice one of those pieplates long enough to assault a riptide with Early Warning Override..

EDIT, probably only long enough to die in nearby overwatch though : \

You're assuming the Tau player doesn't see that plan coming from a mile away and doesn't place a unit of Kroot around the Riptide. He could also be deploying the Riptide next to a table edge to force you to risk scatter that takes you off the table.

In short, no, they wouldn't.

Exalted

They are quite good as objective holders, forcing the opponent to shift them. Be ready to counter-attack to get the charge, and tr to keep them in cover as long as possible. Also, a warboss or character with bosspole helps immensely, as their Ld is their weak point.

 Rismonite wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
I wonder if a group of Cyborked Stormboyz with a Zagstruk and Nob could survice one of those pieplates long enough to assault a riptide with Early Warning Override..

EDIT, probably only long enough to die in nearby overwatch though : \

You're assuming the Tau player doesn't see that plan coming from a mile away and doesn't place a unit of Kroot around the Riptide. He could also be deploying the Riptide next to a table edge to force you to risk scatter that takes you off the table.

In short, no, they wouldn't.

Exalted

Note: Killing enough kroot to get through to the riptide is not a difficult task. They effectively have no save and are t3. Easier than Guardians to kill. Kroot can rarely keep up with a riptide on the move. So i think its a fine theory but a few shots should open up the multicharge.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
I wonder if a group of Cyborked Stormboyz with a Zagstruk and Nob could survice one of those pieplates long enough to assault a riptide with Early Warning Override..

EDIT, probably only long enough to die in nearby overwatch though : \

You're assuming the Tau player doesn't see that plan coming from a mile away and doesn't place a unit of Kroot around the Riptide. He could also be deploying the Riptide next to a table edge to force you to risk scatter that takes you off the table.

In short, no, they wouldn't.

Exalted

Note: Killing enough kroot to get through to the riptide is not a difficult task. They effectively have no save and are t3. Easier than Guardians to kill. Kroot can rarely keep up with a riptide on the move. So i think its a fine theory but a few shots should open up the multicharge.

And if you fail you're up gak creek without a paddle. You'd have to have a massive Deep Strike footprint to have enough oomph and you'd have to survive Interceptor AND Overwatch. You also can't kill the table edge, as it's not a legal target for shooting.

youre always gak creek bound if you miss,. Not worth mentioning.

 Jancoran wrote:
youre always gak creek bound if you miss,. Not worth mentioning.

When it's a 300+ points unit that has a significant risk of dying before doing anything it is.

Living in fear is no way to give advice my friends.

 Jancoran wrote:
Living in fear is no way to give advice my friends.

Denying the truth is counter-productive.

Wait...So you're going to tell me that the "flaw" here is that I "Might" miss a charge"?

eh..okay. whatever man. That could happen at any time to any unit, not just this one, So that is just plain irrelevant. WHETHER I make a charge does not addres nor inform how useful Kroot are as bubble wrap. As Bubble wrap they're not good or bad based on whether I MAKE the charge.

Total non sequitor.

 Jancoran wrote:
Wait...So you're going to tell me that the "flaw" here is that I "Might" miss a charge"?

eh..okay. whatever man. That could happen at any time to any unit, not just this one, So that is just plain irrelevant. WHETHER I make a charge does not addres nor inform how useful Kroot are as bubble wrap. As Bubble wrap they're not good or bad based on whether I MAKE the charge.

Total non sequitor.

No, I'm telling you that planning on Deep Striking something as big as a squad of Stormboyz with an expensive Upgrade Character close enough to something that will probably be bubble-wrapped, close to a table edge and ready to Intercept you to pieces is insane. It's not reliable in any way at all. The flaw is that you're investing hundreds of points in a unit that is more likely than not going to die before doing anything.

If you're going after a Riptide with Cybork Stormboyz (which are expensive as hell) with Zagstruk (who is expensive as hell) you're going to have a footprint the size of a Land Raider at least; since when is it a good idea to Deep Strike something that big, and to rely on having it be close enough to get a charge off?

As if it wasn't enough, even if you DO manage to land safely and within charge range, you're now stood in a giant circle next to a unit with a Large Blast high-strength weapon. How does this make any sort of sense whatsoever?

Really look. I said "I wonder if A". Now I may not have included how we got to situation A, but I gave you A. Then you said, without talking about situation A, "well you can't do that because of X and Z", being the Bubble wrap and table edge which were not include in situation A.

You did the same thing as others here "no you can't because somebody is going to bulldoze it with a scream star and then shoot it with four ion cannon templates". It just seems rude.

As rude as me continuing to be off topic. I still believe meganobz are bad at backfield objective holding and any HQ modification makes them expensive.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Wait...So you're going to tell me that the "flaw" here is that I "Might" miss a charge"?

eh..okay. whatever man. That could happen at any time to any unit, not just this one, So that is just plain irrelevant. WHETHER I make a charge does not addres nor inform how useful Kroot are as bubble wrap. As Bubble wrap they're not good or bad based on whether I MAKE the charge.

Total non sequitor.

No, I'm telling you that planning on Deep Striking something as big as a squad of Stormboyz with an expensive Upgrade Character close enough to something that will probably be bubble-wrapped, close to a table edge and ready to Intercept you to pieces is insane. It's not reliable in any way at all. The flaw is that you're investing hundreds of points in a unit that is more likely than not going to die before doing anything.

If you're going after a Riptide with Cybork Stormboyz (which are expensive as hell) with Zagstruk (who is expensive as hell) you're going to have a footprint the size of a Land Raider at least; since when is it a good idea to Deep Strike something that big, and to rely on having it be close enough to get a charge off?

As if it wasn't enough, even if you DO manage to land safely and within charge range, you're now stood in a giant circle next to a unit with a Large Blast high-strength weapon. How does this make any sort of sense whatsoever?

I never said anything about using Stormboyz... eh...so...

 Jancoran wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Wait...So you're going to tell me that the "flaw" here is that I "Might" miss a charge"?

eh..okay. whatever man. That could happen at any time to any unit, not just this one, So that is just plain irrelevant. WHETHER I make a charge does not addres nor inform how useful Kroot are as bubble wrap. As Bubble wrap they're not good or bad based on whether I MAKE the charge.

Total non sequitor.

No, I'm telling you that planning on Deep Striking something as big as a squad of Stormboyz with an expensive Upgrade Character close enough to something that will probably be bubble-wrapped, close to a table edge and ready to Intercept you to pieces is insane. It's not reliable in any way at all. The flaw is that you're investing hundreds of points in a unit that is more likely than not going to die before doing anything.

If you're going after a Riptide with Cybork Stormboyz (which are expensive as hell) with Zagstruk (who is expensive as hell) you're going to have a footprint the size of a Land Raider at least; since when is it a good idea to Deep Strike something that big, and to rely on having it be close enough to get a charge off?

As if it wasn't enough, even if you DO manage to land safely and within charge range, you're now stood in a giant circle next to a unit with a Large Blast high-strength weapon. How does this make any sort of sense whatsoever?

I never said anything about using Stormboyz... eh...so...

The guy I was replying to before you were replying to me did. It's the unit we were discussing, hence you indirectly did.

No. But thats okay. I seee now why what you said makes no sense.

 Jancoran wrote:
No. But thats okay. I seee now why what you said makes no sense.

I reply to someone asking about Stormboyz pointing out why it wouldn't work. You jump in to defend the idea and then start complaining about how I'M the one not making sense? Wut?

Youre getting yourself confused. I directly addressed Kroot and their use as a screen. You somehow got the idea I was talking about Stormboyz. Seriously. You got distracted. Its fine. Just read back.

I've honestly tried to make stormboyz + zaggy work about...5 times. Haven't managed to do it even once. Maybe it's my bad luck with scatters. Cause they alwayz scattered for me. If they had a rerollable deepstrike for their pointcost...and there were no interceptors on the other side - they'd be playable. But generally, u're having only a 1/3 chance of sucksess if you use them. And i'd suggest deepstriking as close to the opponent as possible if there's no impassable terrain around. Cause even if you scatter, you have chances of rolling backwards. And 2d6 scatter is around 7' in general. So if you go back 8-9' you still won't be able to make a reliable charge. So they're dead anywayz.

All in all. Even vs the opponent in openfield, vulcha boyz ain't even distantly reliable + they have issues with overwatch. Fun though.