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I would not use a 3rd party product in their store, unless I was particularly impressed by the sculpt. That's just a respect thing.

I don't blame GW. You've got to draw the line somewhere.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

lilgammer123 wrote:
Ah I see isnt that a shame.

As a point in fact, no, it's not a shame. GW is a company that provides a product for a price and if you purchase it they provide you with a place to play with that product for free. To expect to be allowed to use what they provided for free with product that you purchased from another company is rude and selfish, and that's the shame.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/577829.page

Easy fix, DON'T play at your Local GW.

You'll find more Lax managers and the likes at your local hobby store (If they even sell 40k and have tables to play on) At least that I've found. Playing at a local GW will just get the model-mongers showing up in force. Had one guy comment on my Decimator being taller than normal, stating he had a better firing position. I laughed. The problem with different models being substituted out of GWs stock of models shouldn't ever be a problem with your opponents unless he's looking for a forfeit...

I've let people use Lizardmen as Kroot for bloody-heck! If they can make them look right, and the model is aesthetically pleasing, why even bother caring at all? Again, the reason is the person saying it shouldn't be done, doesn't have enough respect for you to be a proper opponent about your creativity.


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And by that logic, I'll add, kit bashes in all respects should be bannable from all GW stores if that were the case.

 Blacksails wrote:
In a GW store, I'd suspect a strong no.

In most other FLGS, I'd suspect a yes. That would depend on the store, so its always best to ask, but you'd definitely have a easier time using 3rd party anything at a non-GW store.

Any FLGS that says "No" in this case, isn't being the 'F' in FLGS; I thought that was supposed to mean "friendly"?! If GW are too dear for you, fine, come with a written list, and explain to me which unit is which!!

Swastakowey wrote:

 RatBot wrote:
Is it OK if I walk into Wendy's, sit down, pull out a bag of Taco Bell food, and eat it there?

Is this really a thing in america? Or do people just think its rude? Here they do nothing about it.

What if i went into GW purchased something then played a game with my models that arent GW? Because in NZ kicking someone out, ESPECIALLY if they have just purchased something, is a huge no no. We cant even defend our shops if its being robbed or the shop owner gets charged for assault. Maybe things a different here but its still a stupid rule. I have an old GW imperial Guard codex that features an imperial guard conversion where the turret of a chimera was changed to a turret (as stated in the codex) "from a modern day tank kit". So it must be a new thing if they used to feature these in old codices.


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lilgammer123 wrote:
How did we get into fast food metaphores?

Because Americans love fast food lol

They would be insane to allow people to play non-GW products in their stores. Most of their retail locations are simply for advertising purposes and not even for a direct point of sale. The last thing they want is some young kid to want the same army as some random dude only to be told that it's not their miniatures.

Honest question: where are you going to find third-party counts-as guard models that are less expensive than Cadians? Perhaps you could use scale tank models, but in terms of infantry models the only ones I've seen are catering to a niche of people who want higher-quality or more unique sculpts than the same old Cadians and are willing to pay a higher price for it.

 Skinnereal wrote:
If you're playing GW games with GW rules, they should allow a bit of leeway.
You can always say you use the GW Greenstuff to model them, if you just have 3rd-party heads, etc.

If it gets people in to look at the game, and if they ask about the models the 'redshirt' talks to them about scratch-build and kitbash, no harm done.

But, don't expect a redshirt to play along.

Umm if people ask questions and your response is GW is too expensive so I bought cheaper models online and from third party, how does that help GW in a GW store? Do you really think GW staffers like explaining that their models are expensive? The guys working there are just everyday plebs stringing along the corporate spiel.

GW is a "miniatures" company so the bulk of their money comes from selling models.

If your using third party addons, its usually more expensive not less.

The only advice to someone on a budget is to buy second hand and be prepared to get your hands dirty to restore models. Nothing is free.

Also if people want to learn about GW, there are well painted store armies they can learn from.

Your argument is disingenuous.

I'm impressed with the fervor of corporate "insert euphemism because I don't know what exactly will fly here". GW policies are often unkind to the consumer and this is just another example of it imo.

To go with the fast food example, yes BK would let me bring in Taco Bell and eat it there if I was accompanying somebody ordering a whopper combo, otherwise we'll go to McD's for lunch.

GW should let you play a GW game with GW rulebooks and some GW minis even if there are some other minis as stand ins. After all, sometimes people want to try before they buy. Being banned from a store does not encourage anyone to order the next chapter approved, or expand the army with official models, or recruit friends into the hobby, or buy pots of paint that dry out on their own from the a convenient GW store rather than order something else online.

If GW wants to sell models they should have better value than the opponent. If anyone here doesn't want to buy a failcast character they should be able to use a reasonably identifiable stand in. Green army men on 25mm bases don't bother me if there is inclination to improve the aesthetic later, armies take time to complete and maybe you'll find out that you prefer admech over ig and buy different models than anticipated.

I'm not saying GW stores need to be ok with people taking tables to play Catan, but with their reputation I wouldn't shop/play GW directly if there was one nearby (i don't have any 3rd party minis in my armies, but kroot make good enough cultists). We vote with our wallets what quality and practices are acceptable, we can either bend over to whatever companies want to do to us for their sake or hold out for products and services that suit our needs. Make them do well by doing good.

Other examples: new fiends sculpts are amazeballs I'll almost definitely buy it, Kill Team releasing secret stratagems that are only available in special boxes is bad so I won't buy it even though I like the contents otherwise. Good- kill team commander expansion released for all factions at once, bad- special detachments being rolled out for a few factions at a time in expensive campaign books (or worse, codex creep).

/rant

Well I have loads of Mail Order conversions. Citadel Journal used to market the parts numbers and the bundled conversion numbers. YOU would call in MO and get the conversion. White Dwarf would have full conversion articles. My favorite was to make a land speeder out of your own plastic Deodorant. They used to give liscence for third party companies to make GW stamped rules/datafaxes. (Armorcast, Epicast, the first Forgeworld and one in the UK as well)

I would go into a GW store if one was available and play my 'convered' army with GW 2nd ed rules which permitted the 3rd party stuff. I would pull out OOP games like Doom of the Eldar; or even Mighty Empires where there were very few GW pieces and you had to make photocopies and such. GW gave permission for players to do so.

Then if they gave any flak....It would be GW saying you cannot play with their products at some point in the future. So in essence if you buy now....tough luck on your product being supported or even acknowledged. A good manager can see the writing on the wall. If the customer base is shown that side of GW....there wont be any new customers.
a good manager will adapt and join the 21st century way of doing business.

I know of NO starbucks that will throw you out if you buy something inside and sit down and drink your own coffee. As long as you are a paying customer you will be welcomed.

Shas'O'Ceris wrote:
I'm impressed with the fervor of corporate "insert euphemism because I don't know what exactly will fly here". GW policies are often unkind to the consumer and this is just another example of it imo.

To go with the fast food example, yes BK would let me bring in Taco Bell and eat it there if I was accompanying somebody ordering a whopper combo, otherwise we'll go to McD's for lunch.

GW should let you play a GW game with GW rulebooks and some GW minis even if there are some other minis as stand ins. After all, sometimes people want to try before they buy. Being banned from a store does not encourage anyone to order the next chapter approved, or expand the army with official models, or recruit friends into the hobby, or buy pots of paint that dry out on their own from the a convenient GW store rather than order something else online.


/rant

Using examples is always easy enough to counter. But lets say you go to a fine dining restaurant where customer orders food off the menu and a friend brings maccas? Would that be accepted?

If you want to try before you buy, there are plenty of other places that will happily accept you. Otherwise just play at home. Why some people feel the need to play at a GW where everything is meticulous presented and strict is beyond me (perhaps if it was the only store).

And GW doesnt ban, they just ask that you dont play with non GW models. YMMV of course.

Did no one else notice this thread is four years old?

My local GW will tolerate a 3rd party model or two, especially for some of the smaller lines like Inquisition. A whole 3rd party army though will get you a reluctant but firm, pack it up. I can't really blame them though, they work for a company that wants to sell you models, and you using the competition's models isn't great marketing.

 ingtaer wrote:
Did no one else notice this thread is four years old?

Oops

Wow yeah, but y'know I see good points still being made so... let's keep it open.

This is the reason we have a problem with recasts.

People are afraid their models from a third party manufacturer will not be allowed in their favorite store / tournament / event, so they pull out the resin to create cheap copies that can't be detected once the paint is on them.

OP: don't take your third party models to a GW store, find a FLGS, tell the owner, and make sure he gets lots of pictures of your army on his website. That will signal people it's alright to bring the models they love.

 Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:


But yeah, playing 40k as a kid is pretty hard. Save up as much as you can, do some jobs if possible and build your army very slowly. And don't forget to beg for more pocket money.

And don't forget, e-bay is the best friend for the budget player. I play Grey Knights, a box of Terminators is $50 at GW. I can buy the same box on e-bay for $37.50, a savings of 25%. There are also plenty of auctions of people selling their models. There is one unit of terminators currently selling for $15.50, that would be a savings of about 70%.

An old post I know, but just adding to this - there is a guy at my local GW that has never bought a thing in store, yet always has dozens of new units and starting new armies every month etc. The staff knows he buys on eBay and other stores but likes to play in GW and can't really do anything about it - don't be that guy.

Support the store you play in. Even if it's a box every now and then of something or a couple paints etc.

I'll admit that I'm that guy. I buy pretty much exclusively from eBay and I've been spoiled by paying 15% below retail for everything. But on the other hand I rarely ever step foot in the local GW and I bought a majority of my paints from the other FLGS that I do go to sometimes. It's conveniently located next door to a huge art supply store too which makes hobby shopping easy.

 Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

And another thing, both McDonalds and Burger King provide you with a place to eat the meal you purchased from them. GW provides a free place to paint, play and socialize with others who buy their products. What was the name again of the other miniature company that does that? For less money? For more money? Anything...

At the fantasy flight store you can play pretty much whatever you want on their tables and paint whatever you want at their paint station. They don't allow you to bring in outside food though. Gotta buy from their kitchen.

In general: No.

And in non-GW stores, normally i'm fine with proxies, but if you're playing the cheesey army that's been OP for the entirety of 8th edition and continues to get more powerful? No. Sorry. You don't get the discount route to running the best army in the game.

 Marmatag wrote:
In general: No.

And in non-GW stores, normally i'm fine with proxies, but if you're playing the cheesey army that's been OP for the entirety of 8th edition and continues to get more powerful? No. Sorry. You don't get the discount route to running the best army in the game.

Interesting notion. So it's ok to proxy and use stand-ins unless the army list is top tier or FOTM?

 Tennants Lager wrote:

Makumba wrote:
yeah they way say no . funny thing they say no to GW models too. Yestarday I want to our local GW store to buy greenstuff , because no shop can order it , and a guy was there with his son and had a space dwarf army . The space dwarfs were realy nice painted , but ancient , all metal and nothing plastic . the GW employee that saw him told that he is not allowed to use non GW models , and then the old dude took out his phone and started showing him in an old catalog that in fact they were GW models too. People started looking at them and the store manager said , that it is ok that they are GW , but he is asking him to leave , because they want the table for a promo game. Which was funny because 5 min before they had that talk the old space dwarf player paid for renting of a table. They didn't even give the money back just told him that the next time he comes , he will get a table for free.

I've heard of this phenomenon too - people being refused table time at GW stores because of old minis unless they can prove they are GW ones. It's unfortunate, but I guess understandable given how people come into the hobby at different points. Many staff now simply won't be familiar with a lot of the older stuff. Definitely get the impression that the Space Dwarf guy was being shafted there tho. Paying for a table and then being bumped for a promo game without a refund or even a voucher to spend in store/come back? Eesh. Why do I get the feeling that if he'd been using a current army that they sell, he'd have been fine?

So like others have said, taking non-GW minis into one of their stores really is not advisable in any way, shape or form if you're wanting to game with them.

Now I want to try playing a game of WHF at a GW, and see what they say. Assuming they pay enough attention to realize it's not AoSuck.


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Shas'O'Ceris wrote:
I'm impressed with the fervor of corporate "insert euphemism because I don't know what exactly will fly here". GW policies are often unkind to the consumer and this is just another example of it imo.

To go with the fast food example, yes BK would let me bring in Taco Bell and eat it there if I was accompanying somebody ordering a whopper combo, otherwise we'll go to McD's for lunch.

GW should let you play a GW game with GW rulebooks and some GW minis even if there are some other minis as stand ins. After all, sometimes people want to try before they buy. Being banned from a store does not encourage anyone to order the next chapter approved, or expand the army with official models, or recruit friends into the hobby, or buy pots of paint that dry out on their own from the a convenient GW store rather than order something else online.

If GW wants to sell models they should have better value than the opponent. If anyone here doesn't want to buy a failcast character they should be able to use a reasonably identifiable stand in. Green army men on 25mm bases don't bother me if there is inclination to improve the aesthetic later, armies take time to complete and maybe you'll find out that you prefer admech over ig and buy different models than anticipated.

I'm not saying GW stores need to be ok with people taking tables to play Catan, but with their reputation I wouldn't shop/play GW directly if there was one nearby (i don't have any 3rd party minis in my armies, but kroot make good enough cultists). We vote with our wallets what quality and practices are acceptable, we can either bend over to whatever companies want to do to us for their sake or hold out for products and services that suit our needs. Make them do well by doing good.

Other examples: new fiends sculpts are amazeballs I'll almost definitely buy it, Kill Team releasing secret stratagems that are only available in special boxes is bad so I won't buy it even though I like the contents otherwise. Good- kill team commander expansion released for all factions at once, bad- special detachments being rolled out for a few factions at a time in expensive campaign books (or worse, codex creep).

/rant

Your experience is different than mine. I've seen people kicked out of FF restaurants for doing just what I put in bold. Several times actually, in different restaurants, and different US states.

As for using miniatures, it's a Games Workshop Store they decide what is ok to use there, and they've decided that it's only their models that fly. There is nothing morally wrong for them to do it either. It's literally the same as a movie theater insisting on no outside food because they actually want to sell popcorn. So yeah, they're going to only allow GW models because that's the requirement for using their tables. They have absolutely no financial, or moral incentive to give someone else free ad time at their shops.




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 ingtaer wrote:
Did no one else notice this thread is four years old?

Not until you mentioned it. Sorry for helping in the necromantic ritual.

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