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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/25 18:40:27
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Fresh Meat
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I agree with Tangent here. What we assume the function should be and what we would like the function to be, have no place in the argument. We can only look at the rules as written and make our judgement from that.
In my opinion we must look at several things to come to a reasonable conclusion. One, we see that the Cinderblast Bomb is classified as a missile weapon. This is important because when we consult the rules for shooting in the BRB on pg. 38, we see that missile weapons can be used to make ranged attacks. Good, we have a start.
Next, we see that it "uses the stone thrower rules, but, it can move (not march) and fire" DRB pg, 42. The stone thrower rules give it very specific attributes. One, it *changes* (it doesn't actually change but it must follow those rules in addition) the classification from missile to war machine. When this occurs we must consult the rules for war machines. The relevant rules here are that when shooting with war machines " Unless otherwise stated...[war machine] weapons have the Move or Fire and Slow to Fire special rules" BRB pg, 109.
Next we see that in the DRB it was specifically stated that "the model can move (not march) and fire" DRB pg, 42. So that eliminates the issue with Move or Fire. So we must evaluate Slow to Fire. Slow to Fire states "weapons with the Slow to Fire special rule cannot be used to Stand and Shoot" BRB pg, 75.
Therefore because this weapon is a Missile weapon, acting as a Stone Thrower, which is a War Machine, it has all the allocated rules as such, including Slow to Fire because it was not specifically amended otherwise.
tl;dr
No, it can't be used for a Stand and Shoot, in my opinion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/25 19:05:15
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yeah RaW it can't stand and shoot I think we're all agreed on that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/25 19:39:18
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Hopefully, it'll get FAQ'd or Errata'd that it can S&S. I don't think it'd be super powerful if it could Stand and Shoot because of the inherent inaccuracy of the weapon type and the chance of it scattering right back on top of the Dwarf unit.
However, the silliness that could ensue when combined with a unit that has a Rune or two of Slowness has the potential to be hilarious.
Dwarf bombs getting thrown all over the place....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/26 09:53:07
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Yeah, I dunno. I'm less interested in an FAQ and more interested in how it interacts in 9th edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/02 01:50:04
Subject: Re:Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ok, my Google search led me here as the other day, during a game, I charged a Dwarf unit. My friend made me stop 8" and proclaimed he was doing a stand and shoot with a Cinderblast bomb. After he worked it out, and I removed a couple models, I still continued to scratch my head, but ignored it and made a note to figure this out later.
So, for most of the reasons stated above (after reading the Cinderblast rules) I'm uncertain how one would even normally attempt a S&S with the bomb.
When I declare a charge, my opponent makes the S&S declaration before I even move the unit, assuming long range. Considering it uses a template at 2-8" range, how would the S&S even work if I'm a Cavalry unit 15" away?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/02 14:18:09
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The same way all other S&S reactions work; you are assumed to move until you are within range of all weapons making the S&S reaction, but you do not ACTUALLY move the charging unit until AFTER you resolve S&S. This means that if you lose sufficient models to force a morale check, you flee from your initial point, not to the longest ranged weapons maximum range
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/14 08:43:08
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Guardsman with Flashlight
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Ok guys, this is interesting. According to the Swedish Comp FAQ v.4.1.3 the dwarf player is allowed to make a S&S with the cinderblast bomb. I will give you the link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fhiziwo59n26emh/AABMJBii3FT1fvHrATeYHsXEa/SWFAC%20v4.1.3.pdf?dl=0
I dont know how much you guys are interested in this since there“s no argumentation about why, Just how they have FAQ:ed it. Anyhow, I thought some of you might be interested.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/23 14:05:10
Subject: Can Dwarf Cinderblast Bombs Stand-and-Shoot?
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Dangerous Leadbelcher
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The way I see it, you shoot using the stone thrower rules in the stone thrower section. Slow to fire is a war machine universal rule, not part of the section describing how a stone thrower shoots. Thus, slow to fire doesn't apply to cinderblast bombs.
Same as how a model with a cinderblast bomb can still march, unlike a war machine. Granted it can't march FAR cuz its a dwarf, but still...
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