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Totally gonna adapt my army list to include Catzilla.

 Peregrine wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
My original point still stands, if you've decided to not play with Escalation you don't have access to the rules that govern Super-Heavies.

So what? This is like saying that you don't have the rules for tactical squads if you've decided not to play with C:SM. Obviously if you exclude certain rules you won't have them available, but I don't see what this has to do with normal games.

Can you quote where he said "normal games"? He was pretty clear in his original statement.

and by page 2 (actually halfway down page one but he-ho) that this has degenerated.

back on topic, knights can be used a primary detachment in lieu of a standard codex, meaning that one of them would be classified as your warlord, how that functions I do not know.

in terms of legality, gw's warriors code, which is enforced at all gw events outlines what is and what isn't part of the games, they have ruled that FW publications, escalation and strong hold are all apart of the game now, as such they are.

and before you go 'nuh-uh, gw events are not the rule book' ect ect how else do you measure the yard stick if not the very events that the company that produce the game run?

simple fact is these rules are in and are likely here to stay, they will undoubtedly be refined in future editions but I sense that the majority of the anti-escalation/FW alliance (as I dub those outspoken against these rules) will not be satisfied until the rules for these unit and weapons are in the standard rulebooks and codex's.

I do feel sorry for them though, they are missing out on loads of fun, where there is no such thing as a meta anymore

Iv seen Bjorn become a Warlord a few times so imagine its similar.. I believe a vehicle can only be a warlord as a last resort.

Hopping over to 40k general, it seems that most people are treating knights as staple 40k now.

Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, as far as I know knights do not have such permission except perhaps in their WD entry (I stopped buying the mag years ago, I'd need to ask the guys that have it what the specifics are when these guys are taken).

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Actually, Forge World's design studio is entirely separate from Games Workshop's.

Incorrect. See hydra / kharybdis model.

I've conferred with a couple of people, at this moment they do not have permission to be a warlord and they do not have an allies matrix but you do have permission to take them as allies, this means that at the moment nids can take these as allies (lol) but you cannot use them as a warlord.


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go halfbaked rules

 nutty_nutter wrote:
Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, as far as I know knights do not have such permission except perhaps in their WD entry (I stopped buying the mag years ago, I'd need to ask the guys that have it what the specifics are when these guys are taken).

He does? can you tell me where cause i can't find it, since hes a hq and a vehicle he can only potentially become your warlord if there are no other candidates present at all , despite being treated as LD10 due to being a vehicle he isn't actually LD10. Theres a topic on it somewhere.

To stay on topic, I assume theres going to a Faq out soon, since there is just a bucket of rules questions about these models regarding army composition. If they don't release one i think there will be some clashes between players.

There's a Salamander dread in HH that has the same thing.

 Elgrun wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, as far as I know knights do not have such permission except perhaps in their WD entry (I stopped buying the mag years ago, I'd need to ask the guys that have it what the specifics are when these guys are taken).

He does? can you tell me where cause i can't find it, since hes a hq and a vehicle he can only potentially become your warlord if there are no other candidates present at all , despite being treated as LD10 due to being a vehicle he isn't actually LD10. Theres a topic on it somewhere.

To stay on topic, I assume theres going to a Faq out soon, since there is just a bucket of rules questions about these models regarding army composition. If they don't release one i think there will be some clashes between players.

There is nothing that outright says that Bjorn can be your Warlord, however, if he is your only HQ, then your HQ character with the highest Leadership, is Bjorn. It just so happens his Leadership is non-existent. Currently, Bjorn is the only (non-FW) Type: Vehicle (Character) in Warhammer 40K.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Elgrun wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, as far as I know knights do not have such permission except perhaps in their WD entry (I stopped buying the mag years ago, I'd need to ask the guys that have it what the specifics are when these guys are taken).

He does? can you tell me where cause i can't find it, since hes a hq and a vehicle he can only potentially become your warlord if there are no other candidates present at all , despite being treated as LD10 due to being a vehicle he isn't actually LD10. Theres a topic on it somewhere.

To stay on topic, I assume theres going to a Faq out soon, since there is just a bucket of rules questions about these models regarding army composition. If they don't release one i think there will be some clashes between players.

There is nothing that outright says that Bjorn can be your Warlord,

Umm the Faq does...

Q: Do models classified as unique count as characters? (p63)
A: Yes, but not in the case of vehicles (with the exception of
Bjorn the Fell-handed).

Bjorn the Fell-handed is a character.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Elgrun wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, as far as I know knights do not have such permission except perhaps in their WD entry (I stopped buying the mag years ago, I'd need to ask the guys that have it what the specifics are when these guys are taken).

He does? can you tell me where cause i can't find it, since hes a hq and a vehicle he can only potentially become your warlord if there are no other candidates present at all , despite being treated as LD10 due to being a vehicle he isn't actually LD10. Theres a topic on it somewhere.

To stay on topic, I assume theres going to a Faq out soon, since there is just a bucket of rules questions about these models regarding army composition. If they don't release one i think there will be some clashes between players.

There is nothing that outright says that Bjorn can be your Warlord,

Umm the Faq does...

Q: Do models classified as unique count as characters? (p63)
A: Yes, but not in the case of vehicles (with the exception of
Bjorn the Fell-handed).

Bjorn the Fell-handed is a character.

"And what a character he is, I tell you! Virtual life of the party!"

SJ

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Elgrun wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, as far as I know knights do not have such permission except perhaps in their WD entry (I stopped buying the mag years ago, I'd need to ask the guys that have it what the specifics are when these guys are taken).

He does? can you tell me where cause i can't find it, since hes a hq and a vehicle he can only potentially become your warlord if there are no other candidates present at all , despite being treated as LD10 due to being a vehicle he isn't actually LD10. Theres a topic on it somewhere.

To stay on topic, I assume theres going to a Faq out soon, since there is just a bucket of rules questions about these models regarding army composition. If they don't release one i think there will be some clashes between players.

There is nothing that outright says that Bjorn can be your Warlord,

Umm the Faq does...

Q: Do models classified as unique count as characters? (p63)
A: Yes, but not in the case of vehicles (with the exception of
Bjorn the Fell-handed).

Bjorn the Fell-handed is a character.

DR, please read the entirety of my post. There is nothing, nowhere, that outright states "Bjorn can be your Warlord". Just like there is nothing that outright says "A Blood Angels Chapter Master can be your Warlord". Both a granted permission to be your Warlord by virtue of being a character. Furthermore, the only way Bjorn can be your Warlord is if he is your only HQ choice.

Good times all around.

Given the information in the WD, that IK's can be taken as a Primary or Allied detachment, the wording until they FAQ it or give more information leads one to believe that:

A: they are a legal force Org choice for 40K games.

B: Every Codex can take one (including Nids) as they did not state who could not take IK's as allies.

C: that they have as yet to disclose what kind of Allies they are to which armies (BB, AoC, DA)

D: How they can be take as a Primary Detachment.

E: If there are any other variants of them yet to be shown.

All in all, I love the model, love the Concept, but four-see them being blacklisted from Tournaments due too numerous issues.

Still it will come down to you either have one or you're getting one to survive, or you're not playing against/with it.

 Happyjew wrote:
DR, please read the entirety of my post. There is nothing, nowhere, that outright states "Bjorn can be your Warlord". Just like there is nothing that outright says "A Blood Angels Chapter Master can be your Warlord". Both a granted permission to be your Warlord by virtue of being a character. Furthermore, the only way Bjorn can be your Warlord is if he is your only HQ choice.

I did.

Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, by virtue of being a character though the FAQ...

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
DR, please read the entirety of my post. There is nothing, nowhere, that outright states "Bjorn can be your Warlord". Just like there is nothing that outright says "A Blood Angels Chapter Master can be your Warlord". Both a granted permission to be your Warlord by virtue of being a character. Furthermore, the only way Bjorn can be your Warlord is if he is your only HQ choice.

I did.

Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, by virtue of being a character though the FAQ...

You're confusing implied permission with specific permission.
The FAQ implies permission because he's an HQ character.
Specific permission would be a statement that Bjorn can be the Warlord.

rigeld2 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
DR, please read the entirety of my post. There is nothing, nowhere, that outright states "Bjorn can be your Warlord". Just like there is nothing that outright says "A Blood Angels Chapter Master can be your Warlord". Both a granted permission to be your Warlord by virtue of being a character. Furthermore, the only way Bjorn can be your Warlord is if he is your only HQ choice.

I did.

Bjorn has specific permission to be a warlord, by virtue of being a character though the FAQ...

You're confusing implied permission with specific permission.
The FAQ implies permission because he's an HQ character.
Specific permission would be a statement that Bjorn can be the Warlord.

No I am not.

The FAQ gives him character status. This is specific permission to be a warlord as he is a character, where any other vehicle is not.

"Q: Do models classified as unique count as characters? (p63)
A: Yes, but not in the case of vehicles (with the exception of
Bjorn the Fell-handed). "

Specifically, he's a character.
Do all characters have the ability to be Warlord?

rigeld2 wrote:
Specifically, he's a character.
Do all characters have the ability to be Warlord?

as per page 111, yes. (Unless specified otherwise).

 DeathReaper wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Specifically, he's a character.
Do all characters have the ability to be Warlord?

as per page 111, yes. (Unless specified otherwise).

No. All HQ Characters have the ability to be Warlord.
Since the FAQ doesn't specify Warlord and you have to look elsewhere, the FAQ doesn't give specific permission.
It's implicit permission.

As always, the problem of tearing down a wall between 40k and apoc is that plenty of people still remember it existing at some point. As of now you need the escalation book and likely a codex to run your 140$ model, good luck.

rigeld2 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Specifically, he's a character.
Do all characters have the ability to be Warlord?

as per page 111, yes. (Unless specified otherwise).

No. All HQ Characters have the ability to be Warlord.
Since the FAQ doesn't specify Warlord and you have to look elsewhere, the FAQ doesn't give specific permission.
It's implicit permission.

Not all HQs can be Warlords. The Tervigon in the Nid codex for example can't be your Warlord.

From Pg.111

"... you must nominate one model to be your Warlord. This is always the HQ choice CHARACTER with the highest leadership."

So Tervigons can't be a Warlord as they are not characters. Bjorn can be your Warlord provided he is the HQ character with the highest leadership (or at least tied) as he meets the requirements on pg 110 and 111.

Also once the rules come out one of the Knights will probably have permission to be the Warlord even though it is not a character.

Nowhere in the rules does it state that a vehicle can't be your Warlord. If you have the page number that states that I would love to see it as I haven't been able to find it yet.

gloomfang...he did say characters.....

Until we get Knight barons, they won't count as characters, that is.

no....but they have been given permission to be the warlord AND hold objectives.

there was a press release today (or possibly yesterday) on the GW facebook page about it.

it'll all be official in the next couple of weeks but yea, you can field 4 in a 1500point list

 Gloomfang wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Specifically, he's a character.
Do all characters have the ability to be Warlord?

as per page 111, yes. (Unless specified otherwise).

No. All HQ Characters have the ability to be Warlord.
Since the FAQ doesn't specify Warlord and you have to look elsewhere, the FAQ doesn't give specific permission.
It's implicit permission.

Not all HQs can be Warlords. The Tervigon in the Nid codex for example can't be your Warlord.

Correct. I said all HQ characters, not all HQs.

Nowhere in the rules does it state that a vehicle can't be your Warlord. If you have the page number that states that I would love to see it as I haven't been able to find it yet.

Since, as you pointed out, a Warlord must be a character, and Bjorn is the only vehicle allowed (by the rules) to be a character...

Ok. I was tired when I read what you said. I thought you said Bjorn couldn't be a Warlord.

My apologies.

My jimmies are all rustled as I can't think of a way to handle an army of these things. And I know that they are going to be very popular in my area.

If you can handle a bunch of Leman Russes, you can handle these.

rigeld2 wrote:
If you can handle a bunch of Leman Russes, you can handle these.

That I have to disagre with. Russes don't have an invul vs shooting or a WS4 I3. Or a D CC weapon.

That means taking things into CC with it is a bad idea and that is how Nids kill russes.

Also if you do kill it in CC everything takes aanother D hit when it explodes.

if your really concerend about them, take 3 units of 30 gaunts, 3 spawn monsters and constantly tie them up in CC for the entire game.....the can only kill so many per turn even with stomp attacks and your not going to run away anywhere.