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rigeld2 wrote:

 Leth wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
Cheap option is Captain with SS. You should be able to get majority T5 so you're immune to S8-9.

The captain still gets ID'ed on his T4

Not in 6th edition.

Fixed the misquote.
Yes, in 6th edition. You roll to wound based on majority toughness, but Instant Death (p16) applies based on the model's toughness that's suffering the allocated wound.

Yes models toughness, and if you read the rulebook you would know that the modified toughness from bikes and the like counts for instant death.

Also a bike chapter master is still good until it moves for the cover save. So for example when I am going second(white scars) I have my chapter master in front tanking for the unit after the scout move. Then he goes off and joins his actual unit. No jink save so no cover save ignoring shenanigans.

And if he spent a good chunk of his firepower on centurions my bikes are going to be assaulting my first turn(when going second)

 Leth wrote:
Yes models toughness, and if you read the rulebook you would know that the modified toughness from bikes and the like counts for instant death.

 minigun762 wrote:
Cheap option is Captain with SS. You should be able to get majority T5 so you're immune to S8-9.

Don't think he mentioned a bike, just a Storm Shield. Also, if the Captain was on a bike and T5, he would not have to consider Majority Toughness, only if he was on foot and T4.

 Ghenghis Jon wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Yes models toughness, and if you read the rulebook you would know that the modified toughness from bikes and the like counts for instant death.

 minigun762 wrote:
Cheap option is Captain with SS. You should be able to get majority T5 so you're immune to S8-9.

Don't think he mentioned a bike, just a Storm Shield. Also, if the Captain was on a bike and T5, he would not have to consider Majority Toughness, only if he was on foot and T4.

You are correct and I stand corrected. My apologies.

holy crap. That was a brilliant point. Lol. I mean...wow...BRILLIANT. of all the mechanics that have been overlooked for their value...dayam.

 Jancoran wrote:
holy crap. That was a brilliant point. Lol. I mean...wow...BRILLIANT. of all the mechanics that have been overlooked for their value...dayam.

If you were talking about mine, I figured it out when I was taking(and still am) the inquisitor for the scout book. Then I was like how I am going to face tau going second? Well why dont I just have the bike commander tank.....O gak he has scout. WOOHOO

actually both the point on focused fire and the bike... Dayam. I NEVER get ANYTHING out of reading this forum but maybe 1 post in one hundred. But a 2fer? Mayan. Must be my lucky day.

Nugget of knowledge: absorbed.