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 Saz000 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


As far as I can see your actual printouts, the only thing GW-protected could be the aquilla. Make your own variation of a two-headed eagle or make a double-wing symbol without a head or something and you are good to go.
Also, GW policy? Yeah. Sure. They totally can cease and desist anyone who does their own models that could possibly be used in some sort of wargaming context, good luck to them in this noble endeavour.... not.

I agree, I feel that the whole copyright and cease and desist saga was totally mishandled by the companies. You cannot treat the people who feed you as your enemies. Instead of fighting technology you gotta embrace it.

You know, that's what I can't understand. 3D printing will be a total pain for GW soon enough. I've read about a dozen things, from concrete walls over metal guns to biological organs being ready or close to for 3D print. Now, if I were GW I'd jump on the train early. Make international competitions for 3D sculpts, winner gets a free baneblade/merch/cash and his model will be made into a GW product. Get lots of new designs for practically free, involve the community, promote stuff... Instead GW focusses on cracking down on sites that provide 3D models like thingiverse or similar. Good luck enforcing their imaginary rights on user-made models on pirate bay...

 Saz000 wrote:


Once that is done, make a silicone mold of the printed master and then cast in shrinking resin (Hydrospan 400 is what Ive been using). Let it shrink and now you have a crisp, clean master for resin casting. You can do similiar stuff by shrinking your mold with naptha, but the Hydrospan shrinks further faster. You effectively double or triple the resolution of your printed master.

 Kosake wrote:

 Saz000 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


As far as I can see your actual printouts, the only thing GW-protected could be the aquilla. Make your own variation of a two-headed eagle or make a double-wing symbol without a head or something and you are good to go.
Also, GW policy? Yeah. Sure. They totally can cease and desist anyone who does their own models that could possibly be used in some sort of wargaming context, good luck to them in this noble endeavour.... not.

I agree, I feel that the whole copyright and cease and desist saga was totally mishandled by the companies. You cannot treat the people who feed you as your enemies. Instead of fighting technology you gotta embrace it.

You know, that's what I can't understand. 3D printing will be a total pain for GW soon enough. I've read about a dozen things, from concrete walls over metal guns to biological organs being ready or close to for 3D print. Now, if I were GW I'd jump on the train early. Make international competitions for 3D sculpts, winner gets a free baneblade/merch/cash and his model will be made into a GW product. Get lots of new designs for practically free, involve the community, promote stuff... Instead GW focusses on cracking down on sites that provide 3D models like thingiverse or similar. Good luck enforcing their imaginary rights on user-made models on pirate bay...

 Saz000 wrote:


Once that is done, make a silicone mold of the printed master and then cast in shrinking resin (Hydrospan 400 is what Ive been using). Let it shrink and now you have a crisp, clean master for resin casting. You can do similiar stuff by shrinking your mold with naptha, but the Hydrospan shrinks further faster. You effectively double or triple the resolution of your printed master.

Now this is a great idea. Probably obsolte in a few years, but definitely points for creativity.

I personally prefer V2 the most as I am in love with that detail and would paint dozens of these for my Guard army. I can not get enough of that pose and the photo either. You are definitely onto something there.

Subbed

Awesome stuff. I have no personal experience with 3D printing, but I kinda want to get one for terrain and projects like that. I'll have to do some research on 3D printers that cost less than 1000 USD

Isn't this illegal? Copyright What not?

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Isn't this illegal? Copyright What not?

He hasn't used games workshop models.

Damorang wrote:
Awesome stuff. I have no personal experience with 3D printing, but I kinda want to get one for terrain and projects like that. I'll have to do some research on 3D printers that cost less than 1000 USD

I did that recently. Makibox. 300 USD, cheap raw materials (I think like 15 bucks for a kilogram or so). Somewhat decent resolution but still too coarse for perfect results. I think the model will be in the same quality as this one here.

I'd buy one, if I only really had the free time for that right now. The amount of still unfinished models, wIth all the stuff I'm doing outside of wargaming and lots of money going to be invested in my bike pretty soon I don't see much need to get one right this instant. When I come back to it in a year or so, the quality will probably have quadrupled...

edit: nevermind, answered my own question

 Kosake wrote:

Damorang wrote:
Awesome stuff. I have no personal experience with 3D printing, but I kinda want to get one for terrain and projects like that. I'll have to do some research on 3D printers that cost less than 1000 USD

I did that recently. Makibox. 300 USD, cheap raw materials (I think like 15 bucks for a kilogram or so). Somewhat decent resolution but still too coarse for perfect results. I think the model will be in the same quality as this one here.

I'd buy one, if I only really had the free time for that right now. The amount of still unfinished models, wIth all the stuff I'm doing outside of wargaming and lots of money going to be invested in my bike pretty soon I don't see much need to get one right this instant. When I come back to it in a year or so, the quality will probably have quadrupled...

Aye, thats one of the things that have stopped me from getting into this, the thought that I buy expensive equipment and a little while later something new and shiny comes along :p

forget printing in 3D....I wish I could create art like those pics! How do you do that?????

General Hobbs wrote:


forget printing in 3D....I wish I could create art like those pics! How do you do that?????

Uhm... 3D Modelling programm (which was necessary to get the models in the first place) and then asigning a skin/texture to the surface? Not to diminish saz' work, but I think that the pictures were the easiest part

That's what I mean.....I'm sure it took a ton of work to make tthose 3D pics.

The prints haven't turned out great but I love the design.

Those digital models are amazing! I think you should work over at GW, or Forge World... Seriously. Too bad the printer can't keep up with you.

I hope all have great plans for this weekend,

I been super busy and sadly I have to work today as well, so I may not have time to sit and model. I did have a little time here and there this week so here is my progress on the sentinel I am making. Still missing some detail and a driver but I do not want to put too much to have it lost later on the print. I am really curious how this larger model will look like once printed.

Looks nice. You can allways add more details to the model later when the printers can supply the resolution necessary.

Absolutely awesome work. Looking forward to seeing how the army turns out.

 ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
Those are the most metal guard designs I've ever seen.

This. 100% man.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

The other thing which I have relatively recently started doing. While companies like Shapeways offer cheap printing, it isnt the finest resolution. It isnt horrible though for the price. What I do though is print them at double size (triple for certain things like heads and weapons). When I get those in, I clean them up and make adjustments as needed for casting.

Once that is done, make a silicone mold of the printed master and then cast in shrinking resin (Hydrospan 400 is what Ive been using). Let it shrink and now you have a crisp, clean master for resin casting. You can do similiar stuff by shrinking your mold with naptha, but the Hydrospan shrinks further faster. You effectively double or triple the resolution of your printed master.

that is pretty much what GW does itself. The build the masters at 3x, then cast them down to the final size. I understand this to be pretty much how all of them do it for production.

Aw man, these guys are incredible. Well done!

barnowl wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

The other thing which I have relatively recently started doing. While companies like Shapeways offer cheap printing, it isnt the finest resolution. It isnt horrible though for the price. What I do though is print them at double size (triple for certain things like heads and weapons). When I get those in, I clean them up and make adjustments as needed for casting.

Once that is done, make a silicone mold of the printed master and then cast in shrinking resin (Hydrospan 400 is what Ive been using). Let it shrink and now you have a crisp, clean master for resin casting. You can do similiar stuff by shrinking your mold with naptha, but the Hydrospan shrinks further faster. You effectively double or triple the resolution of your printed master.

that is pretty much what GW does itself. The build the masters at 3x, then cast them down to the final size. I understand this to be pretty much how all of them do it for production.

And you were about to share this info precisely when?! I'm starting digging into Inventor right this instant...

Subscribed! This should be a really interesting thread.

Love it mate, I've waiting to see someone try and do this with a 3D printer.

Look forward to seeing more.

This sort of work is going to revolutionise and change the Wargame industry.

If I were you I'd just print the base and then sculpt the rest on, you clearly have the skill to do it.
Fantastic work, I'll definitely be subbing to this.

barnowl wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

The other thing which I have relatively recently started doing. While companies like Shapeways offer cheap printing, it isnt the finest resolution. It isnt horrible though for the price. What I do though is print them at double size (triple for certain things like heads and weapons). When I get those in, I clean them up and make adjustments as needed for casting.

Once that is done, make a silicone mold of the printed master and then cast in shrinking resin (Hydrospan 400 is what Ive been using). Let it shrink and now you have a crisp, clean master for resin casting. You can do similiar stuff by shrinking your mold with naptha, but the Hydrospan shrinks further faster. You effectively double or triple the resolution of your printed master.

that is pretty much what GW does itself. The build the masters at 3x, then cast them down to the final size. I understand this to be pretty much how all of them do it for production.

Interesting on the casting how is that done?

Really great work! I love the detail like the magazine pouches, the protective mask with the skull look, man they are just perfect!

Subscribed, exalted!

Go for true scale man much more appealing than heroic scale miniatures as you can see on your first post scale comparison , everyone would buy the true scale mini their over the heroic " scale" miniature too the right.

Over all amazing talent you have insculpting sir, tell me do you do this for a living and do commissions? and if so what do you charge?, just some great talent I see their.

As for printing I would recommend Moddler as you will get next to no lines on your prints, and then I would recommend getting them casted in resin or metal , a much , much more affordable way too produce printed minis than trying too just print them to go . Also for copyright as long as he doesn't try selling them for income their perfectly legal and he can even use them as displays of his work and that is still legal as it is his own art work. If GW came after them I would encourage everyone too stop supporting GW in any way and to report your case too any news outlet possible and even a decent lawyer can take on the pin heads from GW on something like this .

If you need help finding a caster give me a pm and I can help you find one.

keep up the great work man, I would love too see some of your stuff out side of the 40k / GW universe !.


with best regards - Shawn.

I want to see where this leads

 Kosake wrote:

barnowl wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

The other thing which I have relatively recently started doing. While companies like Shapeways offer cheap printing, it isnt the finest resolution. It isnt horrible though for the price. What I do though is print them at double size (triple for certain things like heads and weapons). When I get those in, I clean them up and make adjustments as needed for casting.

Once that is done, make a silicone mold of the printed master and then cast in shrinking resin (Hydrospan 400 is what Ive been using). Let it shrink and now you have a crisp, clean master for resin casting. You can do similiar stuff by shrinking your mold with naptha, but the Hydrospan shrinks further faster. You effectively double or triple the resolution of your printed master.

that is pretty much what GW does itself. The build the masters at 3x, then cast them down to the final size. I understand this to be pretty much how all of them do it for production.

And you were about to share this info precisely when?! I'm starting digging into Inventor right this instant...

Not quite what GW does, but sort of. For casting metal, resin and the like - most companies, GW included, sculpt the master at a 1:1 scale (the better sculptors taking into account shrinkage).

If you are having metal tooling made though for injection plastics, those are often 2ups or 3ups. They use that to create the mold master and then use a pantograph mill to actually cut the mold. If you are going from digital sculpt to metal mold though, it more or less goes straight to the mill. You might use a rapid prototype to look at a physical example before it is cut, but generally these will be 1:1 scale unless used at a presentation of some form (trade shows for example to show finer details when you don't want people pawing at your stuff).

I think Renedra's site used to have pictures of their pantograph process, but otherwise you can probably find videos on YouTube.

Back to the thread though, are you currently rigging the models or sculpting them pose by pose? One of the biggest benefits to me of doing the 3d prints is that with a bit of time spent rigging the figure, I can produce 10-20 different poses in short order. That way each one is a bit different. We are currently working on a HALO inspired army which our goal is 100 unique poses.