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Everything to do with Space Wolves.

All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

Edit : Also, can we please get a more basic beginner box? It's not a huge deal, but I feel like we're going to be drowning in Dark Angel players in a year or two. If the beginner box contained actual customizable armies like SM, Orks, Eldar, etc. Sure it may be a bit boring, but it's a beginner set for feths sake.

Random charge length and the mishandling of the tyranid data slates.

charge range should be d6+I or maybe 2d6+I that way it rewards faster melee characters a little more

slates should have been in the codex, or at least a typical supplement type thing just to avoid confusing and as much exclusion

Why a Bloodthirster, an immortal daemon of war, born of a thousand battles, only has a 2/3 chance of hitting a grot or a guardmen.

Or hitting a landraider, that thing is as big as a house, but you only have a 66% chance to hit it? It would be harder to miss it tbh.

Or vice versa, a grot trying to hit a bloodthirster and having a 33% chance to do so. Absolutely ridiculous. WS 2 vs WS10 should have to roll a 6 and then a 6 again if it were to show any relevance to the statlines of the models involved.

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

Edit : Also, can we please get a more basic beginner box? It's not a huge deal, but I feel like we're going to be drowning in Dark Angel players in a year or two. If the beginner box contained actual customizable armies like SM, Orks, Eldar, etc. Sure it may be a bit boring, but it's a beginner set for feths sake.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

For literally years people complained that the releases were to slow. GW responds, ramps up releases and while sorting old books, adds new models and rules. People complain to many releases

For years people wanted more and shiny models in starter boxes. GW ups the box set each time from 2nd (cardboard dreads anyone?) to fully blinged detailed models with multiple units and poses in 6th. People complain box set to complex

You sir just made my night - hilarious!

In much the same way people complain about not enough rainfall in a drought and too much rainfall in a flood, people complain about either extreme in regards to the release schedule.

Another complaint is that they are prioritising releasing new stuff instead of giving codices like Orks needed updates and giving Sisters plastic models.

 Massaen wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

Edit : Also, can we please get a more basic beginner box? It's not a huge deal, but I feel like we're going to be drowning in Dark Angel players in a year or two. If the beginner box contained actual customizable armies like SM, Orks, Eldar, etc. Sure it may be a bit boring, but it's a beginner set for feths sake.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

For literally years people complained that the releases were to slow. GW responds, ramps up releases and while sorting old books, adds new models and rules. People complain to many releases

For years people wanted more and shiny models in starter boxes. GW ups the box set each time from 2nd (cardboard dreads anyone?) to fully blinged detailed models with multiple units and poses in 6th. People complain box set to complex

You sir just made my night - hilarious!

It's almost as if groups of people are made up of individuals with unique desires and opinions

People thinking random charge distances is a bad thing and not realizing we've had random charging for a while now (aka charging through terrain, which is what most charges were)

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everything to do with Space Wolves.

Would that be the wolf lord the wolf claws canis wolf born or the wolf wolf gun wolf flying super dread wolf .

 CrownAxe wrote:
People thinking random charge distances is a bad thing and not realizing we've had random charging for a while now (aka charging through terrain, which is what most charges were)

Just because it happened sometimes in 5th doesn't mean it isn't a bad thing.

5th also had guessed shooting range since you couldn't pre-measure and no overwatch removing models from the front.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
People thinking random charge distances is a bad thing and not realizing we've had random charging for a while now (aka charging through terrain, which is what most charges were)

Just because it happened sometimes in 5th doesn't mean it isn't a bad thing.

5th also had guessed shooting range since you couldn't pre-measure and no overwatch removing models from the front.

I didn't say assault wasn't nerfed, im just saying random charge distances is a net positive for the game

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everything to do with Space Wolves.

Would that be the wolf lord the wolf claws canis wolf born or the wolf wolf gun wolf flying super dread wolf .

Its not 5th anymore so cry me a river build a bridge and get over it already.

hobojebus wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everything to do with Space Wolves.

Would that be the wolf lord the wolf claws canis wolf born or the wolf wolf gun wolf flying super dread wolf .

Its not 5th anymore so cry me a river build a bridge and get over it already.

Ok.
*reaches for an onion*

 CrownAxe wrote:
I didn't say assault wasn't nerfed, im just saying random charge distances is a net positive for the game

How is it a positive?

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

I know someone who has been wanting to run a Stormtrooper army since forever and would trade his left arm to do so (not his right though, he needs that to paint them). So I wouldn't say "nobody asked for" the new stuff. It's just got a limited market on who asked for it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

I know someone who has been wanting to run a Stormtrooper army since forever and would trade his left arm to do so (not his right though, he needs that to paint them). So I wouldn't say "nobody asked for" the new stuff. It's just got a limited market on who asked for it.

You're right, I was just being a tad hyperbolic because I'm pretty butthurt the Ork codex is still in 4th edition.

The problem with nerfing overwatch and random charges would be that certain armies, Tau, completely lack viable close combat support. No, I went through 2 editions where my army would just roll over if even one marine or ork touched a unit and I don't want to go back to that now. Bring Kroot back to the close-combat family and give them power-weapon equivalent weapons with heavier armor options and I'll be all on board for those kinds of changes.

 robam45 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

I know someone who has been wanting to run a Stormtrooper army since forever and would trade his left arm to do so (not his right though, he needs that to paint them). So I wouldn't say "nobody asked for" the new stuff. It's just got a limited market on who asked for it.

You're right, I was just being a tad hyperbolic because I'm pretty butthurt the Ork codex is still in 4th edition.

I know the feeling as, for the moment at least, my only army is Sisters. I'll be branching out soon enough, but I know the feeling. That said I try to not get too wound up about things, like when my army is getting a release, because at this rate it's coming, it's just a matter of how soon.

 agnosto wrote:
The problem with nerfing overwatch and random charges would be that certain armies, Tau, completely lack viable close combat support..

Show of hands, who thinks being pretty much unable to get into close combat with Tau thanks to their dominance of the shooting phase and super-overwatch is totally fair?

6th edition heavily favours shooting over assault, even more than 5th edition did. It would take a whole lot more than buffed charge range for Tau to start sweating.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
The problem with nerfing overwatch and random charges would be that certain armies, Tau, completely lack viable close combat support..

Show of hands, who thinks being pretty much unable to get into close combat with Tau thanks to their dominance of the shooting phase and super-overwatch is totally fair?

6th edition heavily favours shooting over assault, even more than 5th edition did. It would take a whole lot more than buffed charge range for Tau to start sweating.

Yeah, the "everyone can overwatch" thing is really annoying, especially since Tau has this habit of forming gun-lines. Add in Markerlights buffing Overwatch BS when they didn't last codex, is really annoying too.

I read a rumour somewhere on here of a change to overwatch, which would mean a unit firing overwatch can not fire in the following shooting phase, similar to how interceptor works.
It won't help units make their charge. But it will stop tau gunlines sitting happy pumping out ridiculous numbers of shots in both your and their turns.

As said, I read it somewhere on here I believe, so take it with a pinch of salt.

In a similar vein of thought, Coteaz and his automatic interceptor on every unit in range has the potential to be a little over the top. One unit being fired on I can understand, but drop 3 drop pods next to him with units inside, and he is going to be firing 6 times in 1 phase. That's as much as another unit does in an entire game. Some matrix skills right there.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Random charge distance..

It bothers me that charge distance is random when shooting distance is not.

I so agree. Shooting should be random as well.

What also grinds me gears is shooting armies get to fire twice per turn, while assault armies can only attack once per turn, and there is no point costs adjusted to it.

Big Blind Bill wrote:I read a rumour somewhere on here of a change to overwatch, which would mean a unit firing overwatch can not fire in the following shooting phase, similar to how interceptor works.

Given that in most cases the unit firing Overwatch is going to be in close combat in the following shooting phase, it would be a largely pointless change.

Davor wrote:What also grinds me gears is shooting armies get to fire twice per turn, while assault armies can only attack once per turn, and there is no point costs adjusted to it.

How many 'assault armies' don't have ranged weapons?

Most assault units have a pistol that they can fire in the shooting phase, and then they still get to attack in the assault phase.

And if they don't completely wipe the unit they charge, they get to swing again in their opponent's assault phase...

 insaniak wrote:

Davor wrote:What also grinds me gears is shooting armies get to fire twice per turn, while assault armies can only attack once per turn, and there is no point costs adjusted to it.

How many 'assault armies' don't have ranged weapons?

Most assault units have a pistol that they can fire in the shooting phase, and then they still get to attack in the assault phase.

Genestealers.

Davor wrote:
Genestealers.

That's one. Out of how many?

But see agnosto's point. You still get two chances to attack every game turn.

 insaniak wrote:

Big Blind Bill wrote:I read a rumour somewhere on here of a change to overwatch, which would mean a unit firing overwatch can not fire in the following shooting phase, similar to how interceptor works.

Given that in most cases the unit firing Overwatch is going to be in close combat in the following shooting phase, it would be a largely pointless change.

It is a pretty common occurrence for over watch to kill a few models, and force a charge to fail. So it has uses there.

Also it would be of tremendous value vs a tau castle. If they overwatch with all the units within 6, then it will make their shooting phase in the next turn much more bearable.
Logically it also has more merit. Units firing overwatch are firing at 2x the speed of everyone else on the field. In a turn based game this makes no sense. It's like someone hit the fast forward button on them.

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

Spetulhu wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

I would not hold your breath they have been all but squated, two lacklustre codexes an ever shrinking range of models, and the ones you do have are way over priced.

It's sad because I like sisters, gw should either bring them back to life or stop torturing their fans, a half life isn't acceptable.

Spetulhu wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
All the freaking new releases. Two new codices for armies that nobody asked for come out while so many current armies have a codex trapped in 4th/5th edition.

This, so much. While I have the digital SoB codex I'd really like a physical copy. But noo, let's sell high-priced new stuff instead of supporting loyal fans that already waited years for something good.

Please show me where GW has FORCED you to buy the digital SoB book please. For someone who doesn't like GW way of doing things, you are still supporting them then.