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jaffrime wrote:
No a unit always uses it's best leadership option. If an ironguts unit has a base Ld of 8 and the Std of Disipline raises it to 9. They don't have to use the generals worse leadership. Same thing if you had a butcher general and a bruiser bsb in te same unit. You'd use the bruisers higher Ld because t is higher.

You should look up what inspiring presence is. Ironguts and bsb's don't have that rule

Inpiring presence means you use the ARMY GENERAL's leadership instead of your own for morale checks etc right?

 Lokki wrote:
Inpiring presence means you use the ARMY GENERAL's leadership instead of your own for morale checks etc right?

Yes the general's leadership not his units leadership. His leadership may be modified by magic items or magic.

Banner of disipline says you can't use the generals inspiring presence.

jaffrime wrote:
Banner of disipline says you can't use the generals inspiring presence.

the standard prevents the unit holding the banner using his inspiring prescence.

If he is in the unit they use his LD through the fact he is the highest Ld in the unit and this trick negates the rule.

so if the general is in that unit, they use his ld and everyone other unit can still use his inspiring prescence.

Even if his Ld is lower then the units? That just doesn't make sense

jaffrime wrote:
Even if his Ld is lower then the units? That just doesn't make sense

ironguts are ld 7 IIRC, as is the firebelly.

ergo, they both become LD 8 with the banner and the firebelly still gives the army a LD 8 bubble form his inspiring prescense.

if there was a unit with higher Ld then they use their own LD instead.

Ironguts are ld 8 bulls are 7 ( extra 13 points gotta pay for somthing other then armour and great weapon )

so the banner of discipline would make them ldr 9? with bsb giving re-rolls right?

yes it would in that case.

Need to.convert a BSB. Any ideas? Was going to convert a tyrant model but then noticed it's larger then the plastic ogres... Sneaky GW making it out of proportions to everything else

Just take a regular bull add some cool armor and in of the cooler heads. (Mournfang parts work well) raise it up on its base a bit and viola!

jaffrime wrote:
Just take a regular bull add some cool armor and in of the cooler heads. (Mournfang parts work well) raise it up on its base a bit and viola!

That's all I did with an extra tall banner. Done.

was thinking of using bragg gutsman as the base then use his Polearm as the banner, swap the head out for somthing more armoured and use green stuff and spare parts to add armour plates too him.

that or chop the pole arm down and use the tyrant great weapon head on his stick to make a great weapon because i forsee the Finecast version of his sickle snapping alot!

 Lokki wrote:
was thinking of using bragg gutsman as the base then use his Polearm as the banner, swap the head out for somthing more armoured and use green stuff and spare parts to add armour plates too him.

that or chop the pole arm down and use the tyrant great weapon head on his stick to make a great weapon because i forsee the Finecast version of his sickle snapping alot!

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You can also try using a minotaur banner bearer. Cut the feet off, green stuff ogre boots on them, remove thebody hair, use biggest ogre head you can find.

jaffrime wrote:


Oh and.l you need 2-3 sabretusks as chaff, you just do. That's the only auto include I'd say. The only reason I say 2-3 is that you can't have more then 3 and they of course come in blisters of two. Damned pain in the arse.

My friend ordered a pack of sabretusks and one of their legs had broken off in transit to his FLGS so the manager ordered another pack, free of charge.

However, one of their legs had also broken, and he ended up with another set which was fully intact.

So he ended up with 2 mildly broken cats, and 4 whole ones.

One thing you do have to admit about GW is that the do have a generally very good customer service

chaff is going to be the leadbelcehrs and their d6 Str 4 shots

at 1250 i will have 2 units of em ^_^

 Lokki wrote:
chaff is going to be the leadbelcehrs and their d6 Str 4 shots

at 1250 i will have 2 units of em ^_^

Lead belchers are there to take out fast cav. They are WAY too expensive to use as chaff

Lol ment more the D6 shots being the chaff then the belchers themselves. Plus should I get a stone horn or mournfang when I finish the 30+ models I already have?

 Lokki wrote:
Lol ment more the D6 shots being the chaff then the belchers themselves. Plus should I get a stone horn or mournfang when I finish the 30+ models I already have?

Competitive? Mournfang. Otherwise whichever you like more

2x 3 units? Or more???

 Lokki wrote:
2x 3 units? Or more???

I do 1 unit of 4 at 2400

So at 2k 1 unit of 3? Or would 2 units be overkill?

 Lokki wrote:
So at 2k 1 unit of 3? Or would 2 units be overkill?

well, i run 2 units of 4 at 2400.

i also have a douchebag friend **cough** **Flingitnow** who runs 3 units of 4 at 2400 and 5 units at 3k.

Do they cause havoc?

 Lokki wrote:
Do they cause havoc?

4 mournfang on the charge can potentially have, with max impact hits:

12 str 5 impact hits
13 str 4 attacks (with a champion) from ogres
16 str 5 attacks from the mournfang
4 str 5 stomp attacks.

thats 1 unit! there are, in a word, "disgusting"

- no matter how awesome D6 shots is, it's not chaff. Killing stuff is nice, but clogging charge lanes, preventing turns, and more are invaluable aspects of the game.

- I think the line of thought, "if you want to be competitve, do X, but if you don't care, do whatever you want" goes without saying. I mean...if you're going to field what you like, regardless of tactical advise, you wouldn't be asking for advice, would you?
I don't see many Stonehorns or Thundertusks, sadly. Despite them both being awesome looking monsters.

- 3-4 Mournfang are indeed amazing. An average of 10 attacks (3 auto-hit) per model is hard to argue with. Take one unit, take two, take three. They'll do well, regardless.

Cool. So when I have built and painted this load of infantry some mournfangs and iron blasters is needed. Was going to convert a hunter using the harpoon launcher and have him run in a pack of 3 sabertusks then have 2x1 cats for chaff ( using fenrisian wolves)


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This is my WIP butcher. What do you think??

You don't see many thundertusks and stonehorns not so much because they're BAD, it's just there are stuff that's better.

One thing to remember about them is they get riders. Ogre riders. So that's a nice little addition. But really they are kind of expensive. If you're going to throw out 250pts that's like 8 Ogres. You know the Ogres will perform, the Stonehorn is iffy.

 DukeRustfield wrote:
You don't see many thundertusks and stonehorns not so much because they're BAD, it's just there are stuff that's better.

One thing to remember about them is they get riders. Ogre riders. So that's a nice little addition. But really they are kind of expensive. If you're going to throw out 250pts that's like 8 Ogres. You know the Ogres will perform, the Stonehorn is iffy.

They are also cannon magnets

Right so after my first 2 games ( 1 win 1 lose) the list i proposed with bruiser , butcher, 2x 7 bull units 4 leadbelchers and a gorger worked and didnt...

main problem was with my setup ( i did not know a squig herd horde was soo brutal..)

agasint the goblins i suffered because of a mangler squig and 2 pump wagons screwing up units. the squigs destroyed and ran down the butchers unit of bulls ( rolling double 6's at the wrong time) but the bruiser destroyed a unit of goblin archers and the goblin bosses bunker unit.

the empire game ( number 2) went better swapped the butcher for a lvl 1 firebelly just to see the differance and rolled firestorm for his spell ^_^ and got the large template off on a bunker unit of helbardiers killing 12 + wounding the warrior priest and general within ( failed a 2+ save and +4 ward on the general)

his crossbows were devoured by the gorger that appeared 2nd turn but my only problem is knights.... how the great gribbly hell am i suppsed to kill them with only strength 4 bulls?

should i swap out the leadbelchers for ironblaster and maybe a small unit of mournfangs?