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Sony knows that tapping in to the Avenger crowd and keeping Spidey would be an even bigger boost. Which would be awesome.

As far as Avengers/X-men would be awesome you'd need to reboot X-men. X-3 screwed far to much up to make it work. I like First Class and expect to like DoFP but outside of those offerrings I haven't been much of a fan. Except for Origins: Wolverine which I like but don't consider part of the universe as I don't think they tied that one in.

 Hulksmash wrote:

As far as Avengers/X-men would be awesome you'd need to reboot X-men. X-3 screwed far to much up to make it work. I like First Class and expect to like DoFP but outside of those offerrings I haven't been much of a fan. Except for Origins: Wolverine which I like but don't consider part of the universe as I don't think they tied that one in.

I haven't watched X3 in a while, but what is it that makes the idea of a crossover impossible? I don't recall it being that good, but it wasn't an outright departure from anything established.

Origins was part of the series, it even had Prof X turn up at the end.

 Ahtman wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

Well wasn't he a somewhat famous surgeon before the accident that drove him to look for magic to heal himself?

Possibly, but how famous is any 'famous' surgeon outside of the medical profession? How many surgeons can you name, that you haven't had to contract for their skills?

Dr. Oz
Dr. Ruth
Dr. Phil (lol)
Sanjay Gupta
Ron Paul
Rand Paul

Just because it isn't a long list doesn't mean there aren't well known doctors. Let us also not forget this is reality and the idea of a famous surgeon isn't exactly so fantastic to be untenable. And yes, I wanted to list Tom Baker, Matt Smitt, et al but refrained.

They're not famous for being doctors, they're famous for being on television. Michio Kaku isn't famous for his work in physics, he's famous for doing all those television shows. At the time Dr. Strange is tagged by that computer, he's pretty much a nobody outside medicine.

 Breotan wrote:
Michio Kaku isn't famous for his work in physics, he's famous for doing all those television shows. At the time Dr. Strange is tagged by that computer, he's pretty much a nobody outside medicine.

Forgoing that that is the wrong kind of doctor, of course he is well known physicist. Just being on TV doesn't negate what he is. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a well known astrophysicist, as was Carl Sagan. Being on TV is part of the reason why they are well known. I don't think anyone thinks MDT is a car salesman that just happens to do a show called Cosmos. Ron and Rand Paul are also more well known as politicians, but that doesn't mean they aren't also licensed physicians. Kim Jong from Community and The Hangover movies also is a medical doctor as well; Being an MD doesn't men you can't be known for something else, after all. Being well known doesn't mean being a hugely public figure either. He may be well known to SHIELD or New Yorkers, or any other group. It doesn't have to mean world wide fame. There was a stupid reality show about a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills, so who is to say that he isn't a well known plastic surgeon to the stars? There are lots of possibilities of why someone who is a surgeon is famous to some extent.

Autocorrect kept trying to make it Carl Satan, so maybe it knows something we don't.

The point is, they weren't known outside their circles before the TV stuff happened. It would be the same thing with Dr. Strange. Unless they make him a Dr. Phill or Dr. Dean type personality in the movie, none of the avengers should know him. Maybe Stark if Strange worked on him, but that'd be it.

 Breotan wrote:
Unless they make him a Dr. Phill or Dr. Dean type personality in the movie (snip)

That's not a bad thought. I'm not a big Dr. Strange fan but as I recall he was pretty arrogant before he got hurt, right? Although that might a little too closely mirror Tony Stark...


As a side note, I bet Hugh Laurie would be the best Dr. Strange ever.

I want an AvX movie

Stupid movie rights won't let this happen :-\

 Ouze wrote:



As a side note, I bet Hugh Laurie would be the best Dr. Strange ever.

I don't know about that... how good does Hugh Laurie look in a 70s Porn Star moustache?

Honestly, if Marvel felt like pushing it, they could probably gain access to Beast and Wolverine, as both are card-carrying members of the Avengers. I'm not sure of the clause that Fox has written, but if Marvel has it written that they have access to all members of the Avengers, then they can grab The Thing, Spider-Man, Beast and Wolverine whenever they'd like. And unless Fox has it written "Mutants can't be used at all by anyone except us", I don't see them winning the suit. Any nerd with a comic book can go in as a lawyer for Marvel, for free, and win the trial in five minutes. Being an Avenger really is a trump card-it allows Marvel access to 50% or more of the universe on that one team at one point or another.

Wolverine and Spider-man are verboten until/unless Disney can somehow buy out the licenses. There's just too much money in those characters to let go.

But does Fox have all rights to Wolverine? Or rights to the X-Men, and Wolverine just happens to fall in that category? If they have access to X-Men, Marvel has an easy snag of Wolverine based on the Avengers angle. Spidey is a bit trickier, as he's not a team, he IS the team. It's questionable. But their roles as Avengers should give Marvel a loophole.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
But does Fox have all rights to Wolverine?

They have the rights to Wolverine, which is also why he has two solo films.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
But does Fox have all rights to Wolverine? Or rights to the X-Men, and Wolverine just happens to fall in that category? If they have access to X-Men, Marvel has an easy snag of Wolverine based on the Avengers angle. Spidey is a bit trickier, as he's not a team, he IS the team. It's questionable. But their roles as Avengers should give Marvel a loophole.

I am pretty sure the Disney corporation has approximately a bajillion lawyers who would have taken back the rights from Sony if they had found some way to do so, and the fact that Sony recently announced 3 more Spider-Man films means they did not.

 Ahtman wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
But does Fox have all rights to Wolverine?

They have the rights to Wolverine, which is also why he has two solo films.

I'd still love to see the actual wording of legal clauses. It's possible for a loophole.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'd still love to see the actual wording of legal clauses. It's possible for a loophole.

Do you think Disney doesn't have any entertainment lawyers that already have checked it? Or that FOX doesn't have a team of their own making sure their end is protected?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'd still love to see the actual wording of legal clauses. It's possible for a loophole.

Well, give them a ring and ask. (407) 828-1750 - while you're on the phone, ask about maybe a Deathlok movie?

 Ouze wrote:


That's not a bad thought. I'm not a big Dr. Strange fan but as I recall he was pretty arrogant before he got hurt, right?

Yup.

Then his hands get injured in an accident and he can no longer perform surgery.

Which starts him off on his quest to discover an alternative cure which leads him to some esoteric areas ...

I read a while back they were looking at getting Johnny Depp for Steven Strange, which could be awesome. The Stark-Strange banter would be brilliant, with Depp and RDJ both playing planet-sized egos.

 Paradigm wrote:
I read a while back they were looking at getting Johnny Depp for Steven Strange, which could be awesome. The Stark-Strange banter would be brilliant, with Depp and RDJ both playing planet-sized egos.

Sorry, I believe the Living Planet falls into the realms of Silver Surfer, who also belongs to Fox. Please back it down to moon-sized arrogance.

I submit Kevin Corrigan. He has a wonderful way of acting as if he is so superior that he need offer no explanation, but in a cool, assumptive manner. If he simply reprised his style of character from Community, then he would bring something very different to the mix. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0180984/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t39

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I read a while back they were looking at getting Johnny Depp for Steven Strange, which could be awesome. The Stark-Strange banter would be brilliant, with Depp and RDJ both playing planet-sized egos.

Sorry, I believe the Living Planet falls into the realms of Silver Surfer, who also belongs to Fox. Please back it down to moon-sized arrogance.

I was hoping someone would make that joke, to be honest. Bonus Nerd Points awarded!

 Ahtman wrote:

 Forar wrote:
mutation flourishes in the world as a result

I'd be much happier if they kept super powers a bit rare. It is bad enough having to hear "why didn't the Avengers show up" with all the separate movies, and comic book levels of proliferation would alienate the audience I think, which while having a good number of comic fans, also have a lot of non-comic fans.

I was unclear. I'm not saying it needs to become a situation like in the comics where there are literally millions of mutants running around. Merely presenting an explanation as to why there haven't been any mutants showing up in the Marvel films (notice how all the heroes/villains are all tech based, scientific accidents/experiments, pinnacles of human capabilities, etc?).

With Guardians we're going to have aliens introduced, who can have 'super powers' without needing to toe the 'mutant' line.


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 Ouze wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'd still love to see the actual wording of legal clauses. It's possible for a loophole.

Well, give them a ring and ask. (407) 828-1750 - while you're on the phone, ask about maybe a Deathlok movie?

Funny, it's my understanding that 'no mutants' is basically the exact wording.

I don't recall how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch fall into a grey area between the two, but aside from that, it's been upheld pretty heavily.

As for Deathlok... you are watching Agents of SHIELD, right?

 Paradigm wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I read a while back they were looking at getting Johnny Depp for Steven Strange, which could be awesome. The Stark-Strange banter would be brilliant, with Depp and RDJ both playing planet-sized egos.

Sorry, I believe the Living Planet falls into the realms of Silver Surfer, who also belongs to Fox. Please back it down to moon-sized arrogance.

I was hoping someone would make that joke, to be honest. Bonus Nerd Points awarded!

Don't worry, I saw the wording as an actual request. Hehe. Man, I miss the old Fox cartoons...Silver Surfer was actually recently fun, introduced Drax and others, and of course Ego.

 Forar wrote:
As for Deathlok... you are watching Agents of SHIELD, right?

No, I haven't seen it. I'm an enormous fan of the limited run they had, the Michael Collins one, back in the day. Unfortunately the novelty of a man's internal dialogue with a computer system he's interred into has been pre-empted (again!) by the Iron Man movie.

Given how at the end we saw that Baron Strucker was doing something with Loki's scepter (which most people think is actually just a stick with the Mind Gem in it), it's likely that he's using it to put Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver under mind control like Loki did to all those SHIELD agents in the first Avengers.


My bet? Ultron is going to be a creation of the American government who is going to use him as a replacement for their now defunct intelligence agency. HYDRA is going to find out about it and try to use the scepter to take control of the people behind his creation. HYDRA's meddling screws something up and Ultron goes nuts, causing the Avengers to intervene to prevent the annihilation of humankind.

Ok, this is sort of on-topic, so I will ask.

Can someone briefly explain to me what the deal is with Ultron? The last time I saw him, in the mid to late 90's or so, he was pretty much a B-list villain. Apparently he got more important at some point?

They did an Age of Ultron comic event recently. I haven't read it, as Marvel has gone to crap in the past few years, in the comics (Spidey dies, cyclops in jail after offing the Xavier clone, Colossus-Juggernaut...they aren't even trying). But that arc may shed some light for you. Wiki it too, if you aren't interested in the full arc, as the HC is a pretty hefty volume.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
They did an Age of Ultron comic event recently. I haven't read it, as Marvel has gone to crap in the past few years, in the comics (Spidey dies, cyclops in jail after offing the Xavier clone, Colossus-Juggernaut...they aren't even trying). But that arc may shed some light for you. Wiki it too, if you aren't interested in the full arc, as the HC is a pretty hefty volume.

Beyond speaking of the comics going down the drain (which I would argue that Marvel comics have actually been pretty good as of late), it's worth mentioning that Ultron has been around since the late 60's. The Age of Ultron story line will not really have much to do with this movie; they're just using it for the namesake.

 Ouze wrote:
Ok, this is sort of on-topic, so I will ask.

Can someone briefly explain to me what the deal is with Ultron? The last time I saw him, in the mid to late 90's or so, he was pretty much a B-list villain. Apparently he got more important at some point?

Essentially, in the comics, Ultron was an artificially intelligent robot created by Hank Pym and Tony Stark (Ant-Man and Iron Man) as a lab assistant. Its intelligence was based on Hank's brain patterns and it eventually developed a messiah/Oedipus complex and tried to kidnap Hank's wife/destroy humanity. He's popped in and out of the comics throughout the years and has always been one of the Avengers' and Marvels' greatest and most dangerous villains.





Basically, think Skynet meets Hitler.

 Darth Bob wrote:
My bet? Ultron is going to be a creation of the American government who is going to use him as a replacement for their now defunct intelligence agency.

Similiar to mine, though I blame it more on Black Widow's "you can't arrest us you need us" bit at the end of Cap 2. They will want to make a response to metahumans they (think) they can control. My guess is a stab at making or rewiring JARVIS as the AI, and we know that The Vision will be in the movie, played by Paul Bettany who is the voice of JARVIS.

Does DC also have a character called 'The Vision?'

I'm sure I remember a character of him in an old Superman game I had on the master system... At least, I think it was a Superman game.

It was an all silver dude in a cape (note: No surfboard), he could fly and shoot red laser beams out of his eyes.