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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 20:42:00
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Overread wrote:Davor wrote:
You do know you can change any rule you like? If you are playing with friends, then adjust the game to how you see fit. For me and my son when we use to play, and plan on playing again soon, we do, I move/you move, I shoot/you shoot then we assault. Basically using the rules in Lord of the Rings from GW.
So if you like, collect and paint the minis, and play the way you want.
Yes, but then you cut your potential playing pool down by a significant amount if you want to cut a large chunk like the magic out. Also why keep trying to patch up and "fix" a game which is the wrong game to start with for that person. It's sort of trying to limp the hobby along and that oft doesn't work for long. Far better to start a new game that does fit the rules, the aesthetics and the gameplay that the want.
I thought he played at home with his friends. Teaches me that I keep reading when I can't sleep and then replying to posts.
I thought if he liked the minis, and plays at home with his friends, then they can do what ever they want. Now that I am fully awake, and reread it again, oops, he does go out to events to play.
I guess if you are not going to play at home with house rules and only go out to events, then 40K is not for the OP then. I try not to think of it as Harry Potter magic but scifi like the Force.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 20:53:16
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Cosmic Joe
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Think of it in terms of dark pacts with unnatural creatures like Lovcraftian unknowable powers. Or a scientific explanation of someone using parts of their brains that most humans don't. Both are equally valid seeing as how the universe is open to interpretation. Calling it Harry Potter magic is just your own negativity and not the game.
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Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 02:17:40
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Wilytank wrote:Kramanal wrote:
I don't use magic when I play, except when He'stan uses gate to travel.
I only take him for his special rules with flamers, meltas and thunderhammers.
Thinking about it I've not used him in 3 years.
Vulkan He'stan isn't a psyker.
Of course your right, been so long since I used my Sallies, it was Ver'cona who used to gate with 5 termies! Automatically Appended Next Post: MWHistorian wrote:Think of it in terms of dark pacts with unnatural creatures like Lovcraftian unknowable powers. Or a scientific explanation of someone using parts of their brains that most humans don't. Both are equally valid seeing as how the universe is open to interpretation. Calling it Harry Potter magic is just your own negativity and not the game.
I accept "there are more things in Heaven and Earth.....", what I am trying to say it seems in 6th magic becomes a gamechanger, having 6 pages of overpowered tricks seems totally out of balance.
Things like Smite or mind leech,Inferno etc can be considered a special weapon, I have no problem with this type of effect, Telepathy is the one I have difficulty with.
I suppose having just sat down and actually read the magic rules for the first time, they are not really that scary.
I just still feel we have too many of them and too many practitioners now. Automatically Appended Next Post: azreal13 wrote:Everyone goes through this phase, I think it just varies how long it lasts and how long between phases.
Personally I turned to X Wing, played that almost exclusively for a few months, and as the shine started to wane on that, guess what? I really fancied a game of 40K again!
So you're probably on the right track by thinking about playing something else, if you give yourself chance to miss playing 40K, you can come back to it. If you don't miss it, well, I'm considering starting a home for lost and abandoned Space Marine Bikers... 
Well, someday I might need to find a retirement home for all 286 of them, also the 21 attack bikes and 32 Landspeeders!
Not for a few years hopefully.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 02:50:48
Subject: Re:Why is 40K boring me?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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You can still field a perfectly viable army without psychic powers. Maybe try that.
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While they are singing "what a friend we have in the greater good", we are bringing the pain! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 03:15:20
Subject: Re:Why is 40K boring me?
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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The OP doesn't like that their opponents use psychic powers. It's very much a case of:
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 03:16:47
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Dakka Veteran
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Kramanal, I agree with your disdain of 6th Ed magic. I was glad when they dropped the psychic phase back in 3rd. I know the game is space fantasy and while magic sprinkled about is great, I also want battles decided by guns and heroes, not stinking wizards.
Librarians used to feel special and mysterious, but now any human army can poop out psykers by the score, which changes the game's feel but also undermines how special psykers used to be.
Which reminds me of a story! During the ORIGINAL Battlestar Galactica (sorry if most of you don't remember  there was an episode where all the pilots got sick and the whole fleet was at the mercy of the Cylons. So they were forced to send raw recruits and trainees who'd never flown fighter craft against the Cylon onlaught.
And they utterly defeated the Cylons.
With NO casualties.
Thus it cheapened ALL the previous heroics of the regular pilots who apparently weren't really needed anyway. OK, that wasn't completely relevant but you get my drift. Right now GW is making 40K suffer from the 'Lucas Effect' whereas you take something and in trying to make it 'cooler' you actually make it stupid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 03:21:39
Subject: Re:Why is 40K boring me?
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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I agree that the Prescience spamming with Battle Brothers is a bit stupid, but I consider that more the fault of poor implementation of allies and the Divination table having the wrong Primaris than psychic powers in general.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 03:48:52
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Dakka Veteran
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The fact too that psychic powers are random simply adds to the ridiculousness. Not that it couldn't be cleaned up and fixed in a new edition or something (nudge nudge - wink wink) but who can count on that?
Luckily I play with a regular group and we have diverged from the main rule set to something now we all like to play. Unfortunately so many players have to suffer through whatever GW throws against the wall and sticks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 03:55:48
Subject: Re:Why is 40K boring me?
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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Yeah, if I could find a way to not get Psychic Scream on my backfield units and The Horror against Fearless/ATSKNF/Daemonic Instability armies that would be great.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/04 04:34:19
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Been Around the Block
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Technically psykers don't use magic. They use mind power. Its all based off f the will of the person and the power of their brain. Nothing to do with magic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/05 23:37:19
Subject: Re:Why is 40K boring me?
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Slippery Scout Biker
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PrinceRaven wrote:The OP doesn't like that their opponents use psychic powers. It's very much a case of:
Ha Ha! Like the spoiler! Puts me in my place, ..... "Where's my rattle"!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/06 17:10:08
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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i my opinion 40k is now very bland because you can basically take whatever you want. Sounds counter-intuitive but it is really not. When we had firm restrictions on what to take there was a necessary level of commitment to making an army work. Now with allies and all the rest, it is very easy to make a legal and strong list with very little effort. Finding success with a list you dedicated resources, time, effort and attention to is satisfying. Throwing together an army of riptides and winning is not. Seeing your army lose to the riptides (or equivalent boring list without focus besides WAAC stomping power) is even more unsatisfying because the problem is now systemic throughout the game and not just your army list. Just like we hear about children, we love boundaries. It gives us a goal with limitations to overcome and be proud of.
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I have a love /hate relationship with anything green. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/06 17:11:46
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Cosmic Joe
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The OP won't like 7th edition then.
Heck, even I doubt I will and I actually really liked 6th.
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Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/06 21:37:37
Subject: Re:Why is 40K boring me?
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Sneaky Kommando
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I find that campaigns are a lot more compelling than just random games. I can't wait to play each which just to see how the narrative progresses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/06 23:54:39
Subject: Why is 40K boring me?
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Slippery Scout Biker
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I was a Tempus Fugatives campeign player, so narrative, fluff and campeign's are my first love, IG spamming psykers and allying with aliens is neither narrative nor fluffy!
I feel I might have to miss 7th, or be selective on who i play against.
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