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 Ailaros wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
I think it's a lot deeper than that Ailaros and sometimes focusing the troops is not an option to stop YOURSELF from being tabled.

40k isn't a game about tabling, because focusing on objectives will get you tabled?

Hmm...

Did I say that it isn't a game about tabling?


I did say that not every match is winnable by tabling your opponent or his scoring core.



Hypothetical situation: your opponent has three Heldrakes, 2 cultist blobs and 2 units of Plague Marines, an 11 man NurgleBike star, and 3 squads of Oblits.


Do you think you can easily and reliably table this army every game? No? Well your response would be table the troops right? Well, what if you are also playing a 3+ army and you know you need to focus the Heldrakes first or else YOU will be tabled?


This example may have some hypothetical hole in it that I'm sure you are going to point out, however it's irrelevant. These situations do arise and arise commonly they do. While it is a game of tabling, saying you should be focused on "tabling" your opponent or their scoring every game is ridiculously short-sighted, and the sort of advice I expect from a player who mains one or two very powerful shooty armies. Sometimes you have to primary other things than the troops to stop yourself having your scoring core tabled as well.

Just sell your current armies and play orks, then we will have a thread saying "games usually result in long boring turns".

SHUPPET wrote:Well, what if you are also playing a 3+ army and you know you need to focus the Heldrakes first or else YOU will be tabled?

Then it would be a game of 40k determined by tabling. Which fits my thesis.

SHUPPET wrote:Do you think you can easily and reliably table this army every game? No? Well your response would be table the troops right?

Well,

Ailaros wrote:As such, there is only one way to win a game of 40k. That way is to table your opponent, with various contingency plans if it doesn't happen to work in any particular game.

Just because literally every game doesn't end in a tabling doesn't mean that working towards that goal isn't the best way to achieve everything else you want to do.

 Ailaros wrote:

SHUPPET wrote:Well, what if you are also playing a 3+ army and you know you need to focus the Heldrakes first or else YOU will be tabled?

Then it would be a game of 40k determined by tabling. Which fits my thesis.

And, once again, your thesis that it is a game of tabling is not something I ever disagreed with. You have extremely selective interpretation.

Throwing the mission to the wind when it is far from a guarantee that you will be able to table your opponent, is low level play. Especially if your opponent is packing the firepower to easily table you. Yes, the threat of tabling is very relevant to the outcome of the game. This is not something I disagree with. However, playing against a list with solid scoring and the more present threat of getting tabled yourself calls for something a bit more complex from your own end, other than playing your army as if it is a Call of Duty deathmatch. And I think you will find very little who agree with you on that point.



However, all that now being said, debating anything with you is pointless, as you refuse to even process the other persons point of view, let alone including sensible reasoning in your response to it. I think I will try to make this my final post directed towards you on the subject, as the holes in your very thin veil of logic are pretty transparent.

use more terrain play the game/mission not ur enemy and it should last out, if both armies are deployed so they can shoot back n forth there will be issue for the weaker list/bad dice roller.

More LOS blocking terrain, the issue is likely your not using enough terrain or that you are not granting cover saves when you should be. Those are some of the most common mistakes that can result in frequent tablings.