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 FistusMaximus wrote:
my question still stands, how do i kill that thing without D weapons? (which are even less good now... meh )

For starters, it would suck fighting something that ignores 95% of my army. But the fluff makes sense.

However, here's a handful of loose approximations.... using nothing but lascannons, on average it'd take 7 shots to take off one wound. If you have 56 lascannons, you should be able to kill it turn one. So 14 dev squads all carrying lascannons, worth 2100 pts, would instantly kill it.

But yeah, no one would run that many dev squads. Alternately, you could run 2 dev squads with las and 2 preds with las, for 580, and statistically kill it by turn 4. Compared to the 600 points to field it does that seem quite so crazy? And to be safe, run a third dev squad, or have land raiders using their las, or any other combination of that. Missiles could also work with slightly more.

Then, for all the marines that actually do get it, there's grav, which would still be wounding on 3's (same as a las in this case) but firing 3 times the shots. About 19 grav guns would kill it instantly, or 5 grav guns would kill it in 4 turns. Don't know the pricing on grav bikes as I play DA.

Long story short, it can be killed. It could go up a bit in points to be fair, as if you lose one of those squads you're in trouble, whereas it always hits the same now matter how damaged it is. Durability of firepower costs points, and this thing is a lot more durable than 2 predators and 2 dev squads.

The fact that it's guaranteed to wipe any single squad in one turn of combat is terrifying though. If you try and out-melee this thing you're done for, even if you pick top-tier melee units. 10 Deathwing Knights, on the charge, using smite mode, would deal 2-3 wounds. After that, they'd tarpit it and lose 1-2 models a turn with next to no chance to kill it. Fearless, so you can keep it locked all game, but not going to kill this thing.

Assault Terminators with TH/SS will deal 1 or 2 wounds on their charge, then struggle for the remainder of the game, occasionally falling back. Probably not going to kill it before they all die.

Anything without a 3++? Dead. Instantly.

 Ashiraya wrote:
A boosted-up Avatar would be bossy, wouldn't it? A massive, DoWII-sized-if-not-bigged Avatar that goes around wrestling with Heirophants and stuff.

Something like several Avatars uniting into one form to combat an especially threatening foe.

'The time as a plot-punching-bag is over, mother-fether.'

So yes, my idea:

Firstborn Avatar

Type: Gargantuan Creature

WS10 BS10 S9 T8 W8 I10 A7 LD10 SV3+/3++

Wargear: The Wailing Doom

Special Rules: Inspiring Presence, Molten Body, Fearless, Daemon, Eternal Warrior, Ancient Doom, Fleet, Battle Focus, Bloody-Handed God, Khaine's Wrath

The Wailing Doom:
Range: melee. S: +1, AP1, Murder Blow
Range:18" S:10 AP1 Type: Heavy 1, Armourbane, Ruination

Murder Blow: If the Avatar chooses to make a Smash attack, this attack has the Destroyer special rule.

Ruination: This weapon is fired in the same way as a Beam psychic power (Though it obviously does not consume Warp charges or require a psychic test and it can't be countered), however every hit is resolved at the weapon's full Strength instead of decreasing.

Bloody-Handed God: Once per Eldar turn, the Avatar may grant one of the following special rules to himself or a single Eldar unit within 12" : Furious Charge, Hatred, Rage.

Inspiring Presence: All Eldar within 24" of the Avatar gain the Fearless special rule.

Molten Body: The Avatar is immune to all weapons with the Melta rule, Plasma weapons, and weapons that are described as flaming (including inferno pistols, hand flamers, incinerators, flamestorm cannons, Ork burnas, pyrovore flamespurts etc).

At the end of every Assault phase, all models within 3" except the Avatar himself suffer a S5 AP4 hit.

Khaine's Wrath: The Avatar may only make a single Stomp attack, and it must be placed centred over the Avatar himself. This attack is made using the massive blast marker.


As for points, I'd guess around 600, based on the Transcendent C'tan.

The original Avatar fluff was that he was the size of a large titan, so not that far of a stretch.

Yeah sounds like a fair play, maybe you can field two Wraith knights with it and make it have the spcial ability that kills everything in play except for it with one large nova blast......yeah i know im being sarcastic but Eldar do not need another thing thats nearly impossible to kill.