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I'm OIF and OEF. What's the difference?

 Jihadin wrote:
I'm OIF and OEF. What's the difference?

Well okay, what's the difference between Gitmo and Abu Ghraib?

If you can't stick to the relevant subject....why even bother responding?

Here is the list of things the Gitmo inmates have been subjected to:

Humiliation tactics
Sleep Deprivation
Sensory Deprivation
Solitary Confinement
Forced Medication
Use of Dogs to Scare Detainees
Temperature Extremes
Sensory Bombardment

Now if you could please offer to specify what they did to Bergdahl in comparison?

 Jihadin wrote:
I'm OIF and OEF. What's the difference?

Don't even bother, the dude's trolling.

Relapse wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I'm OIF and OEF. What's the difference?

Don't even bother, the dude's trolling.

I can't help people who don't bother to read the thread.

Someone posts stuff about Iraq, and I am a troll because I tell them it's got nothing to do with Afghanistan?

As I said, it's sad that Bergdahl is treated better than a gitmo inmate.

But that's the complete and utter swindle that is the "war on terror" anyway.

 44Ronin wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I'm OIF and OEF. What's the difference?

Don't even bother, the dude's trolling.

I can't help people who don't bother to read the thread.

Someone posts stuff about Iraq, and I am a troll because I tell them it's got nothing to do with Afghanistan?

As I said, it's sad that Bergdahl is treated better than a gitmo inmate.

But that's the complete and utter swindle that is the "war on terror" anyway.

I had a few comments in rebuttal, but what's the point with someone like you.

Relapse wrote:
Are you auditioning for a "Sliders" reboot?

Yes, the first episode is where you posted this as a cheap shot, then you slid into a parallel universe. With a ninja edit

 44Ronin wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Are you auditioning for a "Sliders" reboot?

Yes, the first episode is where you posted this as a cheap shot, then you slid into a parallel universe. With a ninja edit

Yep, decided not to bother leaving it, but if you want to bring it back, go right ahead, since you started off in this thread with a cheap shot.




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Here's the part where you slide into the ignore list.

So Ronin you had personnel info on how Bergdahl was being treated for the past five years? Personnel info being provided by his captors? Being Abu Ghaib and GITMO are two different monsters there were a major difference between the two. Since you appear to have first hand knowledge on Enhance Interrogation technique compare to "Torture" interrogation you should know the difference between the two. Since it seems your arm chairing with no real knowledge or personnel experience in Iraq and Afghanistan your offering your view point? Am I correct?

 Jihadin wrote:
Since you appear to have first hand knowledge on Enhance Interrogation technique compare to "Torture" interrogation you should know the difference between the two.

I interviewed Mamdouh Habib, a renditon victim who was never formally charged for any crime within detention, despite having settled out of court with the Australian government to absolve the aforementioned government of any liability in his treatment during his detention by the United States.

It's not very hard to read what the red cross has slammed the U.S about gitmo., either

If ICRC says it's torture, it's torture. I don't care if your government calls it under a euphemism.

I interviewed Mamdouh Habib, a renditon victim who was never formally charged for any crime within detention, despite having settled out of court with the Australian government to absolve the aforementioned government of any liability in his treatment during his detention by the United States.

I handed over Insurgents to ANA, handle transportation of insurgents to and from detainee facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan. So I have more experience then you when dealing with detainee's Since you interview him then you know more to him throughout his ordeal but I have mention before on here on a certain practice. Also as a clarification

Finally released without charges in January 2005, Habib struggled to have his account of his experiences believed, as he alleged he had been tortured by the CIA, Egyptians, and US military, at times with Australian intelligence officers present. For some time, each of the governments denied his allegations, but they have gradually been confirmed.

which lead to

An Egyptian official confirmed Habib's account of his torture in Egypt having been witnessed by an Australian officer, whom he named. The Australian government quickly made an out-of-court settlement in the suit by Habib.

It's not very hard to read what the red cross has slammed the U.S about gitmo., either

 Jihadin wrote:
International Red Cross not American Red Cross to avoid confusion. So Enhance Interrogation compare to Physical Interrogation. There's two sides but SERE showed me there's big freaking difference. There's book knowledge and there's RL experience. So I laugh at the International Red Cross attempt to label Enhance Interrogation as physical torture

Americans a love a good euphemism.

It's not torture... it's Enhanced interrogation. Because making someone bound in a painful fixed position for hours upon hours is not doing something painful to them, it's simply a way "Enhance interrogation"

Depriving an individual of sleep somehow doesn't physically hurt them according to you, it somehow magically "enhances" their memory for interrogation purposes.

keeping someone blinded, deafend is not psychological torture at all, it's us americans offering them an "enhanced method of zen meditation". No no you have us all wrong., gitmo is a five star hotel guys

indefinite detention without charge is a good thing, that's why we built a prison in cuba to avoid our own constitutional laws.

good job america, good job

 Jihadin wrote:

I interviewed Mamdouh Habib, a renditon victim who was never formally charged for any crime within detention, despite having settled out of court with the Australian government to absolve the aforementioned government of any liability in his treatment during his detention by the United States.

I handed over Insurgents to ANA, handle transportation of insurgents to and from detainee facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan. So I have more experience then you when dealing with detainee's Since you interview him then you know more to him throughout his ordeal but I have mention before on here on a certain practice. Also as a clarification

Finally released without charges in January 2005, Habib struggled to have his account of his experiences believed, as he alleged he had been tortured by the CIA, Egyptians, and US military, at times with Australian intelligence officers present. For some time, each of the governments denied his allegations, but they have gradually been confirmed.

which lead to

An Egyptian official confirmed Habib's account of his torture in Egypt having been witnessed by an Australian officer, whom he named. The Australian government quickly made an out-of-court settlement in the suit by Habib.

It's not very hard to read what the red cross has slammed the U.S about gitmo., either

International Red Cross not American Red Cross to avoid confusion. So Enhance Interrogation compare to Physical Interrogation. There's two sides but SERE showed me there's big freaking difference. There's book knowledge and there's RL experience. So I laugh at the International Red Cross attempt to label Enhance Interrogation as physical torture

If ICRC says it's torture, it's torture. I don't care if your government calls it under a euphemism

As someone pointed out earlier to me on another thread. Debating you a bit of a wildcard. You either quick to label people or unwilling to "debate" and stick with "what you know"

 44Ronin wrote:
Americans a love a good euphemism.

It's not torture... it's Enhanced interrogation. Because making someone bound in a painful fixed position for hours upon hours is not doing something painful to them, it's simply a way "Enhance interrogation"

Depriving an individual of sleep somehow doesn't physically hurt them according to you, it somehow magically "enhances" their memory for interrogation purposes.

keeping someone blinded, deafend is not psychological torture at all, it's us americans offering them an "enhanced method of zen meditation". No no you have us all wrong., gitmo is a five star hotel guys

indefinite detention without charge is a good thing, that's why we built a prison in cuba to avoid our own constitutional laws.

good job america, good job

You're downright adorable.

 Seaward wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
Americans a love a good euphemism.

It's not torture... it's Enhanced interrogation. Because making someone bound in a painful fixed position for hours upon hours is not doing something painful to them, it's simply a way "Enhance interrogation"

Depriving an individual of sleep somehow doesn't physically hurt them according to you, it somehow magically "enhances" their memory for interrogation purposes.

keeping someone blinded, deafend is not psychological torture at all, it's us americans offering them an "enhanced method of zen meditation". No no you have us all wrong., gitmo is a five star hotel guys

indefinite detention without charge is a good thing, that's why we built a prison in cuba to avoid our own constitutional laws.

good job america, good job

You're downright adorable.

I like when he claims the Taliban and Al Quaeda treat their prisoners better than we do.

Good deal. I am sure his parents are hyper relieved. Blessings on them.

I wonder if we could use all that NSA tech to track them. Isn't therre a Bond tracker somewhere to put on these guys and then drone their locations in six months. Come on CIA, do somethin.

I think the article on lawfare in this journal may be relevant to the discussion:

http://static.dvidshub.net/media/pubs/pdf_8252.pdf

An Egyptian official confirmed Habib's account of his torture in Egypt having been witnessed by an Australian officer, whom he named. The Australian government quickly made an out-of-court settlement in the suit by Habib

What? Did not know that bit? You interview the guy and he forget to mention Australia government was in on it to? He proclaim that its the US all by itself eh

Torture is torture then no matter who they put in isolation eh? OMG We're torturing convicted US Citizens by putting them in Isolation

GITMO Detainee Facility. Enlighten me on the Pro's and Con's I know why its there and quite a few others on here. First though. Tell me what state at the time GITMO cranked up was willing to hold Insurgent fighters?

 Jihadin wrote:

An Egyptian official confirmed Habib's account of his torture in Egypt having been witnessed by an Australian officer, whom he named. The Australian government quickly made an out-of-court settlement in the suit by Habib

What? Did not know that bit? You interview the guy and he forget to mention Australia government was in on it to? He proclaim that its the US all by itself eh

Torture is torture then no matter who they put in isolation eh? OMG We're torturing convicted US Citizens by putting them in Isolation

GITMO Detainee Facility. Enlighten me on the Pro's and Con's I know why its there and quite a few others on here. First though. Tell me what state at the time GITMO cranked up was willing to hold Insurgent fighters?

This guy is a comedy gold mine, I have to take him off ignore to see what gems he's coming up with based off the answers you guys are givin him.

Relapse. Don't incite. Put some effort and with clarity on debate with Ronin.

Thanks Jake for the info on "Lawfare" We all knew that was going to happen when SCOTUS open up that can of worm

 Jihadin wrote:

An Egyptian official confirmed Habib's account of his torture in Egypt having been witnessed by an Australian officer, whom he named. The Australian government quickly made an out-of-court settlement in the suit by Habib

What? Did not know that bit? You interview the guy and he forget to mention Australia government was in on it to? He proclaim that its the US all by itself eh

I specifically mentioned the suit itself. Reading is not hard for most.

Torture is torture then no matter who they put in isolation eh? OMG We're torturing convicted US Citizens by putting them in Isolation

Solitary confinement is considered a psychological torture when continued indefinitely. Combine that with an incarceration that is without trial or even charge. Considering it's a psycosis incubation....I have zero qualms over calling it torture.

I interviewed Mamdouh Habib, a renditon victim who was never formally charged for any crime within detention, despite having settled out of court with the Australian government to absolve the aforementioned government of any liability in his treatment during his detention by the United States.

Eh? You mention the suit?


What suit in the US does he have?

Is there anything about the actual subject to talk about?

 Jihadin wrote:
Relapse. Don't incite. Put some effort and with clarity on debate with Ronin.

Thanks Jake for the info on "Lawfare" We all knew that was going to happen when SCOTUS open up that can of worm

It isn't hard to refute what he's saying.

If Ronin really interview this guy why did he not say the Australian Intelligence Officer name who witness the torture in Egypt? Or any other names of Americans, Australians and/or Egyptian who did the torturing? Be dropping manhole covers instead of dimes if it was me

 Jihadin wrote:
If Ronin really interview this guy why did he not say the Australian Intelligence Officer name who witness the torture in Egypt? Or any other names of Americans, Australians and/or Egyptian who did the torturing? Be dropping manhole covers instead of dimes if it was me

How is ASIO relevant to the subject for me to bother?

Naming ASIO officers is also a big no-no. Good way to get on a "watch list", or end up in court, or worse. No thanks.

As you can see what happens to whistleblowers/ info revealers/whathaveyou, the powers that be go after their throats. Manning, Snowden. Assange ... etc. you get the idea

Begininning to sound like secret SEAL claims there, Ronin.

Relapse wrote:
Begininning to sound like secret SEAL claims there, Ronin.

They are pretty common from both sides though...

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Begininning to sound like secret SEAL claims there, Ronin.

They are pretty common from both sides though...

Tonight, from Ronin especially.

Relapse wrote:
Begininning to sound like secret SEAL claims there, Ronin.

I have no secret claims or information whatsoever, just people throwing ad hominem at me, because I say things they don't like.
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 44Ronin wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Begininning to sound like secret SEAL claims there, Ronin.

I have no secret claims or information whatsoever, just people throwing ad hominem at me, because I say things they don't like.
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Actually, you're throwing around the big claims about personal interviews with nothing to back them.

Aww, such a cute picture, you must be conceding the point, then.