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ThePrimordial wrote:

 Kerrathyr wrote:
Perturabo may also be a play on latin perdurabo (to resist, I think)
Fulgrim should be basd on fulgur, lightning

Wouldn't that be way more in line with Dorn. Because of his fortifying everything style.

They both fortify everything. Perturabo, however, has a secondary etymology - to perturb is to discomfort, or disturb. So Rogal is the 'good' fortress builder, and Perturabo is the 'disturbing' fortress builder.

Gashrog wrote:I'm always a bit baffled when people say Angron is derived from Anger/Angry but then go on to say Lorgar's name is derived from an obscure foreign word for mountain which I doubt anyone at GW knows, surely its far more likely to have simply been a play on the word Lore.

Angron also has Angra Mainyu as a source, I think.

Fulgrim's name.

'Ful' is Swedish for 'Ugly'

Ugly-grim.

Seems like a suitable name, eh?

 Gashrog wrote:
I'm always a bit baffled when people say Angron is derived from Anger/Angry but then go on to say Lorgar's name is derived from an obscure foreign word for mountain which I doubt anyone at GW knows, surely its far more likely to have simply been a play on the word Lore.

Gar is actually another word for god. So lore-god becomes lorgar.

Lore is hardly an "obscure foreign word" though. It's Scottish.

One of many. Hence the amusingly named Mount Benjalore.

Originally, it had no name, so when the norse invaded, they said. "Oi, what's that mountain called?"

"Oh, it's just the mountain." (lore)

"Oh! It's Ja Lore!" (Ja being Mountain).

Then another Scots sect took the land back.

"What's that mountain called?"

"Ja Lore." (Mount Mountain).

"Ah! Ben Jalore!" (Ben being... a more modern scots word for Mountain).

Then the English invaded...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Lore is hardly an "obscure foreign word" though. It's Scottish.

Point 1. I didn't say Lore was an obscure foreign word, I was referring to the suggestion that Lorgar was derived from the 'Afghan' words for great mountain that had been previously suggested.

Point 2. Do you have a verifiable source for anything you just said? Google cannot find any such place as Mount Banjalore, nor have been able to find 'lore' in any online gaelic dictionary.

Point 3. Scottish is spoken by a total of 1.1% of the Scottish population. That IS obscure. (For the record although I was born and raised in England I've inherited so much of a Scottish accent/diction that half the Scots I meet ask if I AM Scottish, I'm not some sassenach who couldn't tell a haggis from a hole in the ground)

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Gashrog wrote:
I'm always a bit baffled when people say Angron is derived from Anger/Angry but then go on to say Lorgar's name is derived from an obscure foreign word for mountain which I doubt anyone at GW knows, surely its far more likely to have simply been a play on the word Lore.

Gar is actually another word for god. So lore-god becomes lorgar.

In what language?

About Leman Russ.
In viking-age scandinavia there existed a people called Ruser. In finnish Sweden is called Ruotsi and in estonian Rootsi. The french book Annales Bertiniani speaks of a group of people under the name 'Rhos' that also was 'sueones', or svear (swedes). This group of vikings are belived by some to have migrated east and formed Russia.

Space Wolves are more or less grimdark vikings in space. Their fluff is full of scandic mythology (but Magnus the Red got Odins part when he sold his eye for knowlage).

The "Russ" part is plain as day.

Someone mentioned this before but I'm just going to go a bit more in-depth.

So yeah. Lion El'Johnson, named after Lionel Johnson who was a poet. He wrote a poem that was called "The Dark Angel". The poem was about Johnson's repressed homosexuality in 19th century England. This poem about a hidden shame carries a lot of weight with the fluff of the DA. Where Johnson is attempting to hide his romantic desires the DA are attempting to hide the sum of their kin that had fallen to heresy by going to great lengths to purge them.

I also think It's important to note Johnson's personification of his feelings. Calling them a dark angel might lead one to believe that Johnson viewed them as both a gift and a curse. This too reflects on the behavior of the DA as they're unrelenting prowess and loyalty is, in part, born out of a desire for no one to know of their past.

So that's the El'Johnson etymology in a nutshell. A poem and an author that inspired both the name of a Primarch and the entire mo for the chapter he lead.

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