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 Lobukia wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Well you don't have any FE units at that point.
You just have TE units.
You do not gain any of the FE rules without the units being in an FE detachment.
.

Not challenging, genuinely curious. Where are you getting this from, and what relevance would the distinction make?


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I'll leave this here.

www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/06/11/writing-a-40k-list-for-7th-ed-40k-and-the-bao-2014/

The FAQ changes all instances of Army to FE Detachment.

So you have to have a FE detachment to gain any of the benefits and you only have to follow the restrictions in a FE detachment. If the detachment is not a FE detachment(instead a TE detachment) then you lose everything that would make the units FE units, instead they are just Tau units(which would default to TE units).

The sample list on the site you linked follows these distinctions(in so much as we can see as upgrades are not listed and I do not know what restrictions are placed in the CS supplement).

Wait. What? So, your saying that FE crisis suits wouldn't be troops and wouldn't have the options in their book if I put them in the same CAD as a TE buffmander? I heartily disagree. This would be the exact opposite of what a faction is. Factions put them all in one CAD (except MT and SM) and have them follow their own books, but able to be in a CAD with other units from other sources in their faction.

 Lobukia wrote:
Wait. What? So, your saying that FE crisis suits wouldn't be troops and wouldn't have the options in their book if I put them in the same CAD as a TE buffmander? I heartily disagree. This would be the exact opposite of what a faction is. Factions put them all in one CAD (except MT and SM) and have them follow their own books, but able to be in a CAD with other units from other sources in their faction.

Lets look at the rule then:
"Battlesuit Spearhead: In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment, all XV8 Crisis teams are troops choices instead of Elites choices."

So yeah, the rules are incredibly clear on this, if it is not a Farsight Enclaves detachment, Crisis teams are not troops.

Kel,
Agreed...
In order to gain access to these Rules the Unit has to belong to the correct Detachment.

Questions related to how the Rules define those Detachments and if same Faction Units which do not violate these Detachment Restrictions are allowed....

Is there anything stopping you from putting Tau Empire units in a Farsight Enclaves detachment?

Nothing stopping us from doing so, aside from the lack of instructions telling us how to determine if it is a Farsight Enclave or Tau Empire Detachment but if you get around that there is nothing preventing a "Mixed Detachment." The Rule is that a Detachment can contain any number of Units belonging to the same Faction, and that Supplements and mother Codex's are the same Faction, so there is nothing preventing you from mixing Units from the two books together in a single Detachment. There is no real benefit from doing so at this point in time, as the Rules which give the Supplement Units their special ability trigger based on which Detachment they are in and not which book they where originally purchased for.

For example, a Tau Empire Crisis Suit put into a Farsight Enclave Detachment is still bound by the Farsight Enclave requirements for Crisis Suits and gains the benefits as well.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Is there anything stopping you from putting Tau Empire units in a Farsight Enclaves detachment?

Yes; the global rules from FE; they state that all units that cantake bonding, must; and then that all units have Ork hunters, and that all Crisis teams are troops, and the signature systems effect all characters within the detachment.

Basically the rules that make your TE units FE units are tied to all units bought within a FE detachment. And an FE detachment absolutely cannot contain Shadowsun or aun'Va.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Wait. What? So, your saying that FE crisis suits wouldn't be troops and wouldn't have the options in their book if I put them in the same CAD as a TE buffmander? I heartily disagree. This would be the exact opposite of what a faction is. Factions put them all in one CAD (except MT and SM) and have them follow their own books, but able to be in a CAD with other units from other sources in their faction.

Lets look at the rule then:
"Battlesuit Spearhead: In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment, all XV8 Crisis teams are troops choices instead of Elites choices."

So yeah, the rules are incredibly clear on this, if it is not a Farsight Enclaves detachment, Crisis teams are not troops.

What is the definition of a "Farsight Enclaves Detachment" then?

Either it is self defined as a detachment you are drawing from the supplement book, Or you can never use the rules within the supplement books.

Your choice.

Agreed with Kel on that,
As there are no official definitions to guide us we are left to our own devices, with the best answer simply being 'define it during creation.'