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Zomnivore wrote:
...I may be completely stupid but is grot shooting worth a damn?

Can you take a trukk for them and have them shoot out of it and do anything?

Grots shooting is more accurate, but they're the potency of Las-guns. Hilariously, they're even shorter ranged and fire less shots. They're basically las-pistols without the Pistol type (I believe). So you can take a truck for them, and have them shoot out of it, but it would be 100% to take shoota boys. Higher strength, and more shots.

 Yonan wrote:
It says nothing about requiring allies. If it *wasn't* a stand alone it's reasonable to expect it would be mentioned as such. Rather than being called a "codex" when every other codex is completely stand alone.

You're right, it doesn't state that it's a requirement to have allies but in every reference when describing how to field a detachment o LotD it describes how to use them as allies, as a primary detatchment with a differnt army as an Ally or as a special detachment of a primary blood angels army with imperial guard as allies.

It then states that if you use multiple LotD detatchments, one has to be your primary detatchment.

So, you're right, it doesn't state an Ally is a requirement but it also doesn't really say anything substantive about fielding them alone.

Pshaw. You think Grots are useless?!

Try Deep Striking Grots courtesy of "The Great Waagh!" detachment.

That's right. You can have Deep Striking Grots.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Pshaw. You think Grots are useless?!

Try Deep Striking Grots courtesy of "The Great Waagh!" detachment.

That's right. You can have Deep Striking Grots.

That...Might be legitimately useful. If you can get them even REMOTELY close to a high value target, the enemy will have to wast a great deal of shooting, OR they'll have that target tied up for the rest of the game.

Before getting too excited...

For "The Great Waagh!" detachment, any non-flyer can be given Deep Strike. You roll for it. On a roll of 6+(if the unit is a Troops choice it will get a +1 bonus to the roll), the unit gets Deep Strike.

If you get "Da Kunnin' Plan" mission from the Altar of War for Waagh! Ghazghkull(Can I call it W!G? It's really cramping my hands typing that out everyt time. ), you get a +1 bonus to the roll for any unit type(barring flyers) if you are fielding a Great Waagh! detachment.

So on a 5+, you can have Boyz or Grots getting Deep Strike without "Da Kunnin' Plan" being the mission and on a 6+ you can have Deep Striking Gorkanoughts(or Morkanoughts...or Warbikers...or a freaking Deep Striking Stompa since the formation allows for you to have a single Lord of War).

If you get the mission, 4+ for Boyz or Grots(and it doesn't say anything preventing Deep Striking Boyz in their Trukks!) and 5+ for everything else.

What's the Great Waaah! Detatchment?

Johnnytorrance wrote:
What's the Great Waaah! Detatchment?

The special detachment in "Waagh! Ghazghkull".

 Kanluwen wrote:

Johnnytorrance wrote:
What's the Great Waaah! Detatchment?

The special detachment in "Waagh! Ghazghkull".

What's the detachment consist of?

Orks?

2 HQ, 5 Elite, 8 Troops, 3 Fast Attack, 3 Heavy Support, LoW and Fortifiaction. 1 HQ, 1 Elite and 2 Troops are mandatory, on a roll of 6+ any unit can deep-strike, troops on a 5+ (you roll once for each unit).

It also has the "Warlord must challenge" and the nerfed mob rule from Waaagh! Ghazghull. See first post here for details:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/601805.page

 insaniak wrote:

 steve1 wrote:
Warbikers dont get stikkbombs either :(

But are unlikely to be disembarking from a vehicle.

Although an orkish 18 wheeler trukk that carried bikers would be flippin awesome.

I imagine them coming out like Kit comes out of the back of his truck in Knight Rider, just blasting down the ramp.

 Purifier wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 steve1 wrote:
Warbikers dont get stikkbombs either :(

But are unlikely to be disembarking from a vehicle.

Although an orkish 18 wheeler trukk that carried bikers would be flippin awesome.

I imagine them coming out like Kit comes out of the back of his truck in Knight Rider, just blasting down the ramp.

I actually though there was a Super-Heavy in Forgeworld that could carry bikers.

As far as I know, every superheavy transport can carry bikes.

The BRB would disagree with that. Super-Heavies can transport any number of units, but they all have to be infantry.

Must be a change from the old Apocalypse then. Originally you could stick anything up to Defiler size in a Stompa.

 Jidmah wrote:
Orks?

2 HQ, 5 Elite, 8 Troops, 3 Fast Attack, 3 Heavy Support, LoW and Fortifiaction. 1 HQ, 1 Elite and 2 Troops are mandatory, on a roll of 6+ any unit can deep-strike, troops on a 5+ (you roll once for each unit).

It also has the "Warlord must challenge" and the nerfed mob rule from Waaagh! Ghazghull. See first post here for details:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/601805.page

Only 4 Elites, actually. Which is still one more Elite and two more Troops than normal, so you can have plenty of Nobz. Or Burna Boyz or Tankbustas, if that's your thing. (Or Kommandos, even, but I'd rather use them in Snikrot's formation.)

I'm secretly hoping for another custom detachment. One that gives us extra FA slots. Need. More. Bikes.

Waaagh! Grukk, perhaps?

 BoomWolf wrote:
Things without stikkbombs:

Painboy
Wierdboy
Grotsnik
Gretchin


Not a whole lot, but enough to make it technically have a point.
Highly situational, highly unlikely point-but a point none-the-less.
Don't cry when you got EXTRA options. you have any idea how many tau empire tank upgrades never see the light of day because they are just too random?

Or how many options Sisters of Battle lost and still haven't regained? (I miss you, Blessed Weapon... and Celestians having WS4/I4 and the holy hatred special rule...)

Has the rules for the stikkbomb chukka changed, or would the trukk itself only have assault grenades the turn something disembarked out of it?

Meaning you're shooting a BS2 blast weapon with just an 8" range over top of the boyz that just unloaded?


The new mob rule, boggles my mind. A small unit of nobs with a bosspole is 11.8% more likely to run in 7th Ed than in 4th Ed, even though they are, presumably, the very kind of unit the new mob rule was supposed to help. The fact that the Ghaz supplement version somehow manages to be worse than the original boggles my mind even further still, creating a double-negative scenario were I become unboggled, and certain of GW's lack of effort/competence.

The vehicle and all units charing out of hit have stikk bombs, so an empty trukk can still launch the small blast. Not really worth the points though.