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 Clang wrote:
Zzap gunz are also quite cheap and got a slight buff (now 50% less likely to overheat).

That would be wrong. Zzap guns also have the regular Get's hot! rule, so they kill a grot one out of six shots, and in addition to that they have the Zzap rule which also confers a 50% chance of getting hot anyways when you roll 11 or 12. So it actually got worse. Considering it was already the worst choice in our old codex, not much is lost, and most adamant defenders of the gun claimed that frying grots was fun, so everyone won, I guess?

The scary thing is that with these Mek Gunz I can see future Ork lists looking like artillery parking lots thanks to taking 5 guns per unit and with the multiple detachments on top of cheap points cost...one of my friends is already planning on running x45 of them out of x3 detachments.

Considering that artillery pretty much gets killed in combat automatically, I don't think that's a balance issue. Even Tau can have some bored riptide jump over there and have it punch all the artillery to death.

 Jidmah wrote:
Considering that artillery pretty much gets killed in combat automatically, I don't think that's a balance issue. Even Tau can have some bored riptide jump over there and have it punch all the artillery to death.

I was thinking masses of artillery with rows, upon rows, upon rows, upon rows of sacrificial grots acting simply as a barrier, leaving no way to get close? thought that would be hilariously funny to play. grots dying everywhere as you blast the hell out of em even funnier when you also start scattering onto your grots

But yeh, a full artillery list would quite obviously have some counters

Since SAGs would work pretty well with artillery, you could pretty much field any number of attachments containing 1 SAG /w targeter 2 Gretchin /w hounds and 3x 5 KMK, for 350 each, allowing for five detachments at 1750, for a total of 490 models on the table in 25 units. Considering how packed that army would be in your deployment zone, a well balanced list should have no trouble to run most of your gretchin off.

 Jidmah wrote:
Since SAGs would work pretty well with artillery, you could pretty much field any number of attachments containing 1 SAG /w targeter 2 Gretchin /w hounds and 3x 5 KMK, for 350 each, allowing for five detachments at 1750, for a total of 490 models on the table in 25 units. Considering how packed that army would be in your deployment zone, a well balanced list should have no trouble to run most of your gretchin off.

haha yeh would be packed to the brim! could simply reduce some grot units and stick a MA warboss or mek in there as a 2+ for tanking shenanigans
Ahh if only I had the to dedication to; aquire, assemble, paint and base that many grots.... but i dont ;P

Poly Ranger wrote:
The ld of 5 is an issue if firepower is focused upon them however. Well pointed out DarknessEternal.

Nah forget it, you can use Ld 7 from a slotless Mek though

Jidmah wrote:Considering that artillery pretty much gets killed in combat automatically, I don't think that's a balance issue. Even Tau can have some bored riptide jump over there and have it punch all the artillery to death.

And ive done that lol.
If your models dont have tarpitting qualities or AP2 attacks i'll gladly send my riptide in. More because its fun than effective lol.



Also i think putting a Mek in there for LD7 is kinda mandatory if youre making it a full battery of 5 guns. 5 guns + 10 crew = 4 deaths take a leadership. Considering theyre T7 all this means if you have to dedicate a bigger gun to do it, but once you do it isnt that hard. If mine didnt get sweeped by assault they ran off the table themselves lol. LD5 is pretty bad....like a bad joke bad lol.

On a seperate note. The vengence battery with either punisher or battle cannons can be converted as very orky - especially since it is bs2! Also fits in with the artillery theme and gives some nice av14.

Hmmm, so lobbas or kannons seems to be the consensus unless youre gonna be facing flyers. I really like the look of KMKs though... Might buy a mek gun and a cheap buggy or 2 off ebay and cut it in half to make some guns

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Also i think putting a Mek in there for LD7 is kinda mandatory if youre making it a full battery of 5 guns. 5 guns + 10 crew = 4 deaths take a leadership. Considering theyre T7 all this means if you have to dedicate a bigger gun to do it, but once you do it isnt that hard. If mine didnt get sweeped by assault they ran off the table themselves lol. LD5 is pretty bad....like a bad joke bad lol.

That is an incredibly good idea I completely missed that, simply by existing their leadership chance to pass goes from 28% to 58%.

Sure it's 15 points but if you're at the end of making you're list and you've got points to spare it would be a very good option.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Clang wrote:
Zzap gunz are also quite cheap and got a slight buff (now 50% less likely to overheat).

That would be wrong. Zzap guns also have the regular Get's hot! rule, so they kill a grot one out of six shots, and in addition to that they have the Zzap rule which also confers a 50% chance of getting hot anyways when you roll 11 or 12. So it actually got worse. Considering it was already the worst choice in our old codex, not much is lost, and most adamant defenders of the gun claimed that frying grots was fun, so everyone won, I guess?

I'd read it as the Zzap rule being a special version replacing the normal To Hit roll and 1 in 6 chance of Overheating, but if it's in addition then yes that is a definite nerf.

I know, a couple of people do that. It has two rules though, one is Get's Hot, one is Zzap. If Zzap would modify what Get's Hot does, it would have to explicitly say that.

i never liked Zzap guns before. Even if they didnt have the Gets Hot! issue on top of the Zzap issue for 11s and 12 with their price drop they got i still wouldnt take them.

Theyre on average S6-8 AP2 36" range single shot. The AP2 is literally the only upside it has compared to the cheaper Kannon, and it lacks the blast option in case youre against a blob of units (would much rather fire an S4 AP5 blast against a ball of marines that are too clumped up than fire a single shot that, provided i hit, pretty much auto-kills ONE marine. And blasts are easier to land even with crappy BS).

On the note of 15pts for a mek, the LD7 is more important imo than the 5th gun. If it comes down to the wire for points, drop a gun and keep that mek in there. Unfortunately no Mob Rule in case you fail since the entire unit needs it, but LD7 is important.