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If you weren't supposed to be able to pivot your models at will, they would have limited it somehow. "You may only pivot the model once per turn" or the better "lose x inches per y degrees pivoted" which is a much more realistic way to do it anyway.

"Use your brain" by second guessing the explicit rules of the game /facepalm.

 jreilly89 wrote:


Awesome! Thank you for the help I love playing 40k, it's just certain situations like this seem to upset so many people and I'd rather lose or not play than get in a screaming match over a couple of inches. I'm not gonna point my rear armor at you, but if you want my landraider to be a couple inches back? Fine.

Yep, there's a big difference between that rational and "I won't play you anymore!"

As you grow into 40k, you'll start noticing a lot more head scratchers. Stay in the ignorant, but fun zone as long as you can. My personality type and thought patterns makes studying rules interesting to me. I knew 5E like a glove and was pretty much good on 6E until last December; I was one of the "ask him the rules" dudes because I played a lot. It's different strokes for different folks.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I personally would not play someone who does stuff like that. While its technically legal it says a lot about the person using them. What else are they willing to do for just a few inches?

Its not a problem I have to deal with thankfully. But I can see both sides being a bit nuts in that situation. Unless they are like 9-12. The only time I have seen yelling over a game was when kids are involved.

I'm confused and maybe you can clear this up for me. You're mad at the player pivoting? I'm a fairly new player, so forgive me for asking, but how would you turn if you wanted to go 90 degrees? would youj go forward and then turn then forward to reach the same point (in an L shape) or would you move the side the full 12", then turn so the front is at the 12"?

It''s unfortunate that this is seriously an issue, as I feel like this is something I would/might do, not out of cheating or malice, but more out of ignorance.

Pivoting is fine in 99% of the situations. I find it highly likely that the way you play is perfectly fine. But what some people do with large vehicles such as a land raider is pivot the vehicle on turn one to gain a few inchs on the first turn. They do this by starting off facing sideways then pivoting and moving. Its not so much the pivot itself that I have a problem with but more so the attitude of the players doing this. If someone is willing to twist rules in this manner for a few inches added to one movement which really breaks immersion (all tanks facing sideways before charging into battle) then what else are they gonna do during this game?

At the end of the day its not a big deal really, just some of those silly things that, as I said before, doesnt really happen often.

In short, its starting the game with vehicles sideways to the direction you want to move in, then pivoting it to face the direction you want to go, then measuring from the front and moving forward. Gaining a few inches to movement.

 Swastakowey wrote:


In short, its starting the game with vehicles sideways to the direction you want to move in, then pivoting it to face the direction you want to go, then measuring from the front and moving forward. Gaining a few inches to movement.

See, I can see how this could get annoying. Most of the guys at my local play store are pretty chill and don't measure EXACTLY for movements and such, but what you described seems like a total cheese tactic. I'd much rather pivot then move because that seems more natural, but I'd take the extra inches off by say measuring then moving or measuring from the middle.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:


In short, its starting the game with vehicles sideways to the direction you want to move in, then pivoting it to face the direction you want to go, then measuring from the front and moving forward. Gaining a few inches to movement.

See, I can see how this could get annoying. Most of the guys at my local play store are pretty chill and don't measure EXACTLY for movements and such, but what you described seems like a total cheese tactic. I'd much rather pivot then move because that seems more natural, but I'd take the extra inches off by say measuring then moving or measuring from the middle.

If you would read as I have posted, it only matters on the deployment, as if you always measure distance from the same point on the vehicle, you'll be fine. I've seen the deployment trick done numerous times, but I cannot recall someone playing pivot jockey to whip wave serpents around all drifter-style like (though the imagery is cool). Which that would only work if you pivoted off a point not being the center, and I don't believe that's allowed.

I don't see the big deal. Tactics would say that if you have 2nd turn, you see your opponent deploy sideways. You deploy 2 inches further back then what you otherwise would have.

All tactics are only as strong as the way the opponent responds to them.

They also did a video on Miniwargaming a while back recommending deploying with the pivot and how it affected first turn movement.

Deploying sideways, rear-ways, front-ways, anyways is perfectly fine. When it's your Movement phase, if you just pivot on the spot, do as many donuts as you like

Regardless of what people think though, pivoting is not free - you need to abide by the restriction placed on us on p18 that says that no part of the vehicle can end the move further than X" from where it started. That restriction automatically places constraints on how far we can move from our start point, and how much we can pivot at the end (you might have to give up some distance to be able to face the way you want).

Of course, if you're of the opinion that p18 places no constraints on vehicle movement, then do whatever the hell you like if your opponent doesn't question you.