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Simple Don't inhale, consume, rub it on your skin, stick it in any orifice and you will be just fine.

As far as the glue itself. I would use the Model Masters metal tip applicator over the rest.

Loctite Super Glue Gel for resin.


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 Sammoth wrote:
Simple Don't inhale, consume, rub it on your skin, stick it in any orifice and you will be just fine.
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So I suppose I should call off the Glue-Orgy I planned? I already bought a thousand tubes of glue and everything!

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 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
 Sammoth wrote:
Simple Don't inhale, consume, rub it on your skin, stick it in any orifice and you will be just fine.
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So I suppose I should call off the Glue-Orgy I planned? I already bought a thousand tubes of glue and everything!

LOL yep


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lliu wrote:
No danger unless you smell it all day. Then you get some lowered IQ points.




Well, that explains the gw staffers using it, then.

One of my local (former) managers used to use Revell Contacta pro in store.

This was back in the day that I first started coming up this way (almost 15 years ago) though. So long before the current silliness of "only open three days a week - you guess which three" and one man operations.

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

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I started warhammer and miniatures in 2012 (late starter).
I use superglue most of the time. At fist all was fine, but lately I get short-breathed, bad coughs and a clogged nose, also headaches from using it.
To the point where my doctor put me on sick-leave for 2 days.
So now I use a proper fume-filter mask whenever I use glue.

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 Gingalain wrote:
I started warhammer and miniatures in 2012 (late starter).
I use superglue most of the time. At fist all was fine, but lately I get short-breathed, bad coughs and a clogged nose, also headaches from using it.
To the point where my doctor put me on sick-leave for 2 days.
So now I use a proper fume-filter mask whenever I use glue.


That's the first real glue mishap I've heard on this thread. Did you not use a ventilated area at first?
   
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Random Dude wrote:
 Gingalain wrote:
I started warhammer and miniatures in 2012 (late starter).
I use superglue most of the time. At fist all was fine, but lately I get short-breathed, bad coughs and a clogged nose, also headaches from using it.
To the point where my doctor put me on sick-leave for 2 days.
So now I use a proper fume-filter mask whenever I use glue.


That's the first real glue mishap I've heard on this thread. Did you not use a ventilated area at first?
I have on occasion felt fatigued and in poor health for several days after using plastic glue. I've been collecting miniatures and model planes for the past 21 years and it was only in the past few years that I finally made the connection (it took a while for me to realise that the crap feeling often came after working with miniatures and took even longer to realise it typically occurred after using plastic glue). The area I work in is pretty much always well ventilated and it's a very large room.

I've never bothered to see a doctor about it, but when I figured out the link between plastic glue and my feeling that way, I make sure I keep the cap on the glue when it's not being used and I try and get all my gluing out of the way in one hit rather than using it slowly over the course of a day to reduce the amount I breathe in.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread I do still sometimes get a strange chemical smell in my nose after using plastic glue.

I've never made a similar link between superglue, but then I tend to not use superglue for long periods of time as I only use it on metal/resin models.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Random Dude wrote:
 Gingalain wrote:
I started warhammer and miniatures in 2012 (late starter).
I use superglue most of the time. At fist all was fine, but lately I get short-breathed, bad coughs and a clogged nose, also headaches from using it.
To the point where my doctor put me on sick-leave for 2 days.
So now I use a proper fume-filter mask whenever I use glue.


That's the first real glue mishap I've heard on this thread. Did you not use a ventilated area at first?
I have on occasion felt fatigued and in poor health for several days after using plastic glue. I've been collecting miniatures and model planes for the past 21 years and it was only in the past few years that I finally made the connection (it took a while for me to realise that the crap feeling often came after working with miniatures and took even longer to realise it typically occurred after using plastic glue). The area I work in is pretty much always well ventilated and it's a very large room.

I've never bothered to see a doctor about it, but when I figured out the link between plastic glue and my feeling that way, I make sure I keep the cap on the glue when it's not being used and I try and get all my gluing out of the way in one hit rather than using it slowly over the course of a day to reduce the amount I breathe in.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread I do still sometimes get a strange chemical smell in my nose after using plastic glue.

I've never made a similar link between superglue, but then I tend to not use superglue for long periods of time as I only use it on metal/resin models.


Some people are predisposed to a CA allergy. Doesn't really imply poor ventilation or other issues - just the way their body reacts. Some of the studies I have seen have put it as high as 1% of the population, but most lower. In the more severe cases, they will actually develop a rash just from the fumes coming into contact with their skin (with effectively much worse results for their respiratory system).

The rest of the population can largely use it without issue - though there has been some indication that a slightly larger portion of the population (upwards of 5%) can develop the allergy over time due to repeated exposures (something the Skink may be experiencing). In that case after 10 or 15 years of use a few times a week, they will begin to exhibit allergic reactions and it will continue to progress to worse and worse reactions.

I know of a small handful of people who are in both boats - quite happily though, I am not.

BTW - in regards to GW's plastic glue...the thin should be pretty hard to screw up - even for them. However, moisture will tend to migrate into the bottle and weaken the strength of the solvent over time. Most your high dollar solvent cements (stuff like Weld-On 3) have a shelf life of 6 months or so once the can is opened and a metal or glass can to minimize moisture movement. Thick cements are problematic though in that it is difficult to maintain the correct ratio of solvent and thickener. If there isn't enough solvent in the stuff you squeeze out it won't fully bind the two parts together and the joint will be brittle and prone to cracking. The best solution is to skip on the thick cements. If you want to use them, get one in a metal tube like Testor's in the orange tube and massage the tube prior to squeezing it out (difficult as massaging will want to pop the cap off). You can also make your one on demand by dissolving sprue in straight solvent (thin cement) and using that as a gap filling adhesive.
   
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 Random Dude wrote:
 Gingalain wrote:
I started warhammer and miniatures in 2012 (late starter).
I use superglue most of the time. At fist all was fine, but lately I get short-breathed, bad coughs and a clogged nose, also headaches from using it.
To the point where my doctor put me on sick-leave for 2 days.
So now I use a proper fume-filter mask whenever I use glue.


That's the first real glue mishap I've heard on this thread. Did you not use a ventilated area at first?

Has always been working in my living-room. Its Fairly big and vel ventilated. But sitting with my nose in it was no good.
   
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 Gingalain wrote:
 Random Dude wrote:
 Gingalain wrote:
I started warhammer and miniatures in 2012 (late starter).
I use superglue most of the time. At fist all was fine, but lately I get short-breathed, bad coughs and a clogged nose, also headaches from using it.
To the point where my doctor put me on sick-leave for 2 days.
So now I use a proper fume-filter mask whenever I use glue.


That's the first real glue mishap I've heard on this thread. Did you not use a ventilated area at first?

Has always been working in my living-room. Its Fairly big and vel ventilated. But sitting with my nose in it was no good.
It is something important to remember. We often get realllllly close to what we're working on with models. I deal with massively more dangerous chemicals at work, but I also don't stick my face 6" away from them like I do with my models. At my local FLGS there's rows of kids sitting hunched over their models sucking in the fumes.


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 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Some people are predisposed to a CA allergy. Doesn't really imply poor ventilation or other issues - just the way their body reacts. Some of the studies I have seen have put it as high as 1% of the population, but most lower. In the more severe cases, they will actually develop a rash just from the fumes coming into contact with their skin (with effectively much worse results for their respiratory system).

The rest of the population can largely use it without issue - though there has been some indication that a slightly larger portion of the population (upwards of 5%) can develop the allergy over time due to repeated exposures (something the Skink may be experiencing). In that case after 10 or 15 years of use a few times a week, they will begin to exhibit allergic reactions and it will continue to progress to worse and worse reactions.

I know of a small handful of people who are in both boats - quite happily though, I am not.
Yeah maybe it's some allergy I've built up over time. I've been collecting models since I was 7 years old, I've definitely been affected by plastic glue in my mid teens, but it could have been earlier than that and I just don't remember. In my late 20's now.

I do have a pretty fethed up body, I'm not allergic to everything like some poor saps, but I do seem to be more sensitive to a lot of things than most people I know. When there's fumes in the air I always seem to be the first person to get a headache, though oddly enough I can drink most my friends under the table, go figure.

Oh, and it's not the acetone that causes it, because I work with acetone at work and it doesn't have the same effect.

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Huh.

I have been fine (using it for a few years now) but I always used well ventilated areas. I started opening windows in whatever room I used the glue in to counteract this sort of allergy thing.
   
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The worst I've had is a slight light headedness, and if I use it to long I tend to get nausea for a bit (till I stop using it, it goes away about 3 minutes after I finish up).

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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Huh.

I have been fine (using it for a few years now) but I always used well ventilated areas. I started opening windows in whatever room I used the glue in to counteract this sort of allergy thing.
I always have used it in well ventilated areas, I'm just unlucky I guess.
   
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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I noticed that the plastic glue label recommends wearing something akin to a hazmat suit when handling the glue. I have been using it for years and never used gloves or anything nor do I know anyone who does. ShouldI be worried for my health?


After 3 years of using an acetone based plastic glue (Tamiya Extra Thin Cement) and CA SuperGlue (Bob Smith Industires Insta Cure+), I developed an allegery to both of them roughly at the same time with couging the next day and runny nose sometimes and the occasional sneezing, flu like symptoms essentially. You can feel the irritation in the lungs. If I don't use them and days pass then the symptons go away. I tried a full face mask 3M 6800, big ventilation fans right next to me with their own floor stands and 3M 6098 filters which are meant to filter out organic acids such as acetone but still somehow the vapors affected me (less than before) if say the mask was not fitted perfectly or I walked past the hobby area without a mask after I had been gluing just before.

So I discovered "LESS" toxic alternatives ... for the plastic glue, I used less toxic "Tamiya Limonene" which is a natural citric acid (orange peel concentrate) which works really well on warhammer grey plastics, it doesn't affect me and only takes 20% longer to melt the plastic compared to acetone glues which kill me.

As a replacement for CA glue, I used Bob Smith Industries 5 min Quik Cure Epoxy, it's a two part epoxy glue, far less toxic that CA SuperGlue and the 5 min version can be used on FineCast (not the 15/30 miin versions I think). You have to mix it which is painful but it bonds stronger than superglue, and is liquid enough to say stick magnets in tiny holes on plastic Warhammer miniatures. So epoxy glue is great as a less toxic alternative to CA Superglue. Also you have to be better organized and fast with epoxy as it has a 5 minute work time and in 15 minutes it gets hard and then in one hour it is fully hardened.
   
 
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