Passengers in the Stompa: Snapping at 12 inches?

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**Sigvatr**

I don't get the the confusion.

They are Walkers that also use the Transports rule. Transports, and Walkers, are vehicles, not infantry, and therefore have to follow all rules for vehicles.

Passengers and their restrictions on shooting etc. aren't part of the movement rules. That's part of the Transport rules.

**Fragile**

Sigvatr wrote:
I don't get the the confusion.

They are Walkers that also use the Transports rule. Transports, and Walkers, are vehicles, not infantry, and therefore have to follow all rules for vehicles.

Passengers and their restrictions on shooting etc. aren't part of the movement rules. That's part of the Transport rules.

Not all transports are vehicles

**Sigvatr**

Are there MC transports?

I can't think of any non-vehicle transports right now...please tell me. I'm curios. Or just sleepy.

**nosferatu1001**

Off the top, little squiggoth and big squiggoth, harridan and with upgrades the hierophant.

**Fragile**

Which brings up the question, does a unit of Gargoyles have to snap fire if the Harridan swoops 24"?

**osirisx69**

Jidmah wrote:
So, would you quote the permission where you're allowed to use some vehicle rules for moving walkers?

Walkers move using the movement rules for Infantry.

The rules concerning speeds are movement rules for vehicles, which leads your logic to one of two results:

1) Movement rules for vehicles also apply, enabling walkers to move 12" at cruising speed as well as moving flat-out during shooting.
2) Movement rules for vehicles do not apply, so there are no speed bounds.

If vehicle rules still applied, there would be no point in telling us to move walkers as infantry. For that reason walkers do not use the rules for movement bounds. The complete lack of mention of those bounds in the vehicle shooting rules reinforce this, as the bounds are described as being relevant for shooting.

I was wondering when someone was going to call out the "flat out movement" rule. Hell I say let em move flat out

**insaniak**

Jidmah wrote:
The complete lack of mention of those bounds in the vehicle shooting rules reinforce this, as the bounds are described as being relevant for shooting.

They're not mentioned for walkers because walkers can always fire all of their weapons.

**Runic**

Didn't find a conclusion about the OP.

-So do the passengers fire Snap Shots when in a Stompa that moves? If so how far does the Stompa have to move in order to make the passengers fire Snap Shots?

-Do passengers inside a Stompa count as having moved ( Heavy weapons fire Snap Shots ) ?

**whembly**

RunicFIN wrote:
Didn't find a conclusion about the OP.

-So do the passengers fire Snap Shots when in a Stompa that moves? If so how far does the Stompa have to move in order to make the passengers fire Snap Shots?

Debatable...

-Do passengers inside a Stompa count as having moved ( Heavy weapons fire Snap Shots ) ?

Absolutely.

**BadMoonMek**

If you treat a walker (transport) as a vehicle then you use the firing/ snap shot rules for being embarked on a vehicle.

If you treat the transport as infantry then the embarked unit, which is also part of that unit, uses the firing/snap shot rules for moving infantry.

Either way no free ride for embarked units on walkers, MCs or whatever.

**insaniak**

BadMoonMek wrote:
If you treat the transport as infantry then the embarked unit, which is also part of that unit,...

No it isn't. An embarked squad is never considered the same unit as their transport. That would be impossible, since the entire unit has to embark, which would require the transport to embark upon itself.