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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In a way, you're both right.

Right.

Everybody to one extent or another copies everyone else. As a genre develops, things go back and forth as people integrate the work of others. It is very possible the ST was written and then 40k adapted some of ST's stuff, and then the ST movie came out, and drew from 40k artwork, and then 40k got new models which were inspired in part by the ST movie. Etc. Etc.

Not very much sci-fi/fantasy out there that DOESN'T copy a bunch of stuff. I mean, even star wars is a buck rogers themed version of the seven samurai. Everything always just sloshes together.

 Ailaros wrote:


Not very much sci-fi/fantasy out there that DOESN'T copy a bunch of stuff. I mean, even star wars is a buck rogers themed version of the seven samurai. Everything always just sloshes together.

I think you mean The Hidden Fortress, not Seven Samurai.

 AdeptSister wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:


Not very much sci-fi/fantasy out there that DOESN'T copy a bunch of stuff. I mean, even star wars is a buck rogers themed version of the seven samurai. Everything always just sloshes together.

I think you mean The Hidden Fortress, not Seven Samurai.

Yeh, Magnificient Seven copied Seven Samurai.

Star Wars copied Hidden Fortress.

The Mobile Infantry owes to:

a) Practical considerations - They had to make the actors and actresses recognizable under armor. Besides, CGI wasn't as advanced back in the 90s as it is now.

b) Aliens' Colonial Marines in feldgrau.

¿The bugs in the movie? They took inspiration from nature, AFAIK: Fire Ants, Rhino Scarabs, Praying Mantises. They certainly don't follow Heinlein's depiction, but don't look like Tyranids either.

So, I don't think the similarities between 40k and ST: The Movie are limited to the cosmetic. The narrative, however, strays too far from its original source and into 40k territory. Unlike the novel, the film is an OTT dismemberfest with a distopian spin which echoes 2000 A. D., Spinrad's "The Iron Dream" and, obviously, 40k.

Take a good read of Michael Moorecock's books. The different gods are pulled straight from there with only slight name changes. The ways they acted and got along with(or not lol) one another and their "specialties. The works. Some of the Nurgle stuff may indeed have come from lovecraft but khorne and slannesh and the irinteractions there is no denying.
The eldar are also pulled straight from it. Now here is where you need to do some research or to have been around GW from it's infancy.... There are elves from different fiction around the world of course. Picking WHICH elves are the source is the tricky part.

The thing that REALLY gives it away is the imagery. However even more so than that, look at the early models they released. They used to produce more tha just warhammer stuff. For example, they used to have a Judge Dredd line of models. They dropped the line and suddenly, they came up with the arbites that were Judge Dredd with different names and the models were eirily similer.They did a Dr. Who line of models. Now just as with Moorecock's books, the fantasy and 40k share Chaos Gods (even having them be "Choas gods is the same as they are also "chaos gods" in moorecocks books) and races, so too does fantasy and 40k. GW used to have a line of Eternal Champion models. These included the "cone head" helmeted melniboneans. When they stopped making the Eternal Champion models they literally just changed the names of the models and started calling them high elves. They did not even bother to sculpt new models, they just repurposed the melniboneans ten then started expanding the fluff of their elves branching off the melniboneans so that the high elves took on their good qualities and the dark elves their bad qualities so that seperately, they were different but combined, they were the same. This is even down to the stone arks and the island fastness.
Going back to chaos and referencing old GW releases (I have the book in storage somewhere but unsure where), I think it was storm warriors but cant remember0 one of their old novel covers even had a scene pulled directly from the last book of the Hawkmoon trilogy when the forces of Granbretan was attacking the stronghold of Count Brass. It had Baron Maladius and a few other beastmask forces riding on a charge. Maladius was the wolf masked one and the vulture helmed one ( merc type with I think a russion type name) had his banner with "Death to Life" on it along with a pictures that matched the book.
Having spoken with Michael Moorecock (online not in person), he simply does not care that they use his stuff so much and has discussed it on many occasianlly.
Edit- The title of the book I mentioned was "Shadowbreed". Also note that the two main gods from his works were khorne and slannesh, nurgle and tzeentch are most likely shoehorned in from other sources.

Also they did a line of d&d stuff which included the type 1, 2, 3 and 4(?) Demons, which went on to become the greater daemons in warhammer.

 Happyjew wrote:
Starship Trioopers (the book) was first published in 1959. Well before Warhammer was conceived. Maybe. I don't actually know when the concept for Warhammer first started getting tossed around.

The movie, which is loosely based on the book came out in 1997.

SUPER-loosely. The book was totally different, and is actually a fantastic sci-fi read. For those in the "for reals" armed forces, there are some concepts on the military that are pretty neat as well.

Don't get me wrong, I actually really liked the B-movie style of Starship Troopers, it was just a pretty big departure from the book.

 Psienesis wrote:


The STT novel predates everyone on these boards by a good 15 years, at least...

Ummm, no, some of us are older than the book.

In the book the mobile infantry basically have jetpack terminator suits that fire nuclear bombs and get dropped from orbit. I'd say GW took a lot of ideas from the book for a range of things in 40k