Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I remain impressed with the Avenger movies. I was never a fan of the comics, but the first Avengers movie was a lot of fun, and this one just looks epic.

Black Widow "deep striking" on a bike from the shuttle craft is pretty slick, and design of Ultron and the Hulkbuster armor make my inner child squee in delight.

Is Loki involved in story line at all?

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:


Is Loki involved in story line at all?

As far as we know, no he isn't. However, given he is one of the most popular characters in the movies I would not be surprised to see him get a cameo at some point.

 Ahtman wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that Tony is in the suit

I'm not saying that Tony isn't in the suit, just thinking of other possibilities. I mean, this is about a malevolent AI that comes from Iron Man's drone work. The idea that Ultron uses an Iron Man suit to attack the team isn't really that out there. I get the impression he doesn't have a body initially. Look at the team when they show him animating that other Iron Man suit, then of course there is the line "There are no strings on me" when he is in his own body. Again, all speculation. Might not be like that at all.

Noted.

I think there is a good chance that what happens in the movie might involve something along those lines, especially in regards with Ultron commandeering an Iron Man suit, but given that a variation of the Civil War story line is going to be the plot of Cap 3, I'm more inclined to think that Tony confronts the Hulk on his own volition (or on behalf of S.H.I.E.L.D.) because he legitimately fears what he is capable of if left unchecked.

The other thing I am thinking of is that this could also remove Banner from the Avengers like in the original comics, which could prove interesting.

 cincydooley wrote:
I just love that Spader is doing the voice.

I saw that Serkis was in it.... Is he the one motion capturing Ultron...or is he playing someone else?

Spader is the only reason I watch Black List.

Relapse wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I just love that Spader is doing the voice.

I saw that Serkis was in it.... Is he the one motion capturing Ultron...or is he playing someone else?

Spader is the only reason I watch Black List.

Spader is playing Ultron through motion capture.

I have not yet heard who Serkis is playing though... I'm hoping for MODOK.

Ulysses Klaw....not MODOK

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/23/andy-serkis-rumored-to-be-playing-ulysses-klaw-in-avengers-age-o/

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Ulysses Klaw....not MODOK

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/23/andy-serkis-rumored-to-be-playing-ulysses-klaw-in-avengers-age-o/

Yep, I just read that on another website. He's in he trailer too; bearded guy with a bowl cut after the shot of all the ships.

The MODOK bit was tongue-in-cheek.

The Ulysses Klaw rumours would lend credence to theories regarding Wakanda, would they not?

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
...but given that a variation of the Civil War story line is going to be the plot of Cap 3...

I thought that particular rumor had been debunked?

Ultron looks weird with moving mouth and eyebrows, reminds me of...

http://youtu.be/N8u2L-CqHX8

Glad they manged to get the Scarlet Witch and Quick Silver in the film.

 Goliath wrote:
The Ulysses Klaw rumours would lend credence to theories regarding Wakanda, would they not?

I could see it tying in with the breaking of Cap's shield, Wakanda being the largest source of Vibrainium and all that. Part of me hopes that, if it happens, doesn't come into the A2 film much, as between Ultron and Strucker there's enough going on.

 Alpharius wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
...but given that a variation of the Civil War story line is going to be the plot of Cap 3...

I thought that particular rumor had been debunked?

If so, I haven't seen it anywhere.

Of course, it is still heavily rumored to be the plot and as far as I know it has yet to be confirmed, but it makes sense to me.

Did you...just debunk it yourself, right in front of us?!?

 Paradigm wrote:
What I love about this:
Ultron's voice
Hulkbuster
Witch and Quicksilver look good
Ultron looks fething amazing
FURY IS BACK!
Cap is using the awesome TWS costume
Did I mention Ultron?

What I hate:
What do you mean I have to wait until May to see this?

Why no Ant man.... he made ultron not tony stark.

I just hope not to see a "Iron man 3" scenario.

 Alpharius wrote:
Did you...just debunk it yourself, right in front of us?!?

No, I don't think I was all that clear...

What I've seen points to it being a Civil War-type storyline (which makes sense to me on a number of levels), there just hasn't been any confirmation from the studio or actors involved, other than Downey saying, "It's gonna be huge."

 zombiekila707 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
What I love about this:
Ultron's voice
Hulkbuster
Witch and Quicksilver look good
Ultron looks fething amazing
FURY IS BACK!
Cap is using the awesome TWS costume
Did I mention Ultron?

What I hate:
What do you mean I have to wait until May to see this?

Why no Ant man.... he made ultron not tony stark.

I just hope not to see a "Iron man 3" scenario.

Because Ant-Man hasn't been introduced as a character yet, and to wait until he's introduced would mess up Marvel's schedule?

He's getting his own movie (Michael Douglas as Pym and Paul Rudd as Lang and Evangeline Lilly as "Hope" Van Dyne - so...The Wasp?!?) later on so...no can do here!

This is a new Ultron of the Marvel Movie Universe!

 zombiekila707 wrote:


Why no Ant man.... he made ultron not tony stark.

That almost annoyed me when I first read about it, but it makes sense now. Firstly, it allows them to basically bring Stark full circle; he says in the trailer about this being 'the end of what he started'. Also, whether we as fans like it or not, Ant Man is probably the biggest risk Marvel have taken so far, it makes sense to leave him out from what should be their headline title for the next few years. Ultimately, Ultron's origin works just as well with Stark as the 'father/creator', with the added bonus of rounding out Stark's arc.

It does work well with Papa Stark!

And I'd say Guardians of the Galaxy was VERY 'risky' too.

I'm less concerned about Ant-Man now...

Guardians was a risk, but ultimately it does play on themes that have been proven to work (sci-fi, bit Western, obviously super-hero, slight comedy), the biggest risk was the setting not taking, but at the same time that was an advantage, as it could get away with a lot more without affecting the main MCU if it flopped.

Ant-man, meanwhile, is very much grounded on Earth, and with a lead role that, to non-fans, is borderline ridiculous ('so, this guy shrinks to the size of an ant and talks to them? Okaaay...'), so could have undermined AoU a bit if he didn't go down well.

As it stands, I'm confident Ant Man will be a good movie, as again they're going with a genre rather than Super-hero (heist, in this case), but to someone unfamilliar with the comics, I think GotG would be an easier sell as you can just pass it off as Avengers+Magnificent 7+Star Wars

I don't know. If the budgets are even close to the same I'd say that Ant-Man is a far greater risk. Guardians had that epic sense of adventure and scope, even in the previews. Plus it laughed at itself. I have to say that personally between the two I would put Ant-man way down the ladder in comparison.

Aye, the moment I saw the poster with 'You're Welcome' on it... I had to laugh, at that point they had to be supremely confidant in it to pull such a cocky advertising slogan... but it damn well worked.

This trailer looks amazing, I had no doubts that this would be a excellent film, hell I've not disliked any of the MCU films so far.. and that's including Norton's Hulk, although I do now prefer Ruffalo... but that was something else. My hype meter exploded about thirty seconds in... and my need to see it can only increase the closer we get to April.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I don't know. If the budgets are even close to the same I'd say that Ant-Man is a far greater risk. Guardians had that epic sense of adventure and scope, even in the previews. Plus it laughed at itself. I have to say that personally between the two I would put Ant-man way down the ladder in comparison.

You did see the part that said Paul Rudd is Ant-Man, right?

I think Ant-Man will have the right blend of comedy, adventure and SF to do quite well.

I think they're possible building up the next wave of Avengers here, for when the Big Stars are No Longer Interested.

Ant-Man, Wasp, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Vision?

Not saying that's what's going on, or even if that would 'work', but...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I don't know. If the budgets are even close to the same I'd say that Ant-Man is a far greater risk. Guardians had that epic sense of adventure and scope, even in the previews. Plus it laughed at itself. I have to say that personally between the two I would put Ant-man way down the ladder in comparison.

You did see the part that said Paul Rudd is Ant-Man, right?

I think Ant-Man will have the right blend of comedy, adventure and SF to do quite well.

I think they're possible building up the next wave of Avengers here, for when the Big Stars are No Longer Interested.

Ant-Man, Wasp, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Vision?

Not saying that's what's going on, or even if that would 'work', but...

Agreed, AM should do well, especially given the cast, track record and the fact that, frankly, Marvel now know 100% how to make a great film on just about anything. I can just see why they left him out of A2. There's the fact that they are already bringing in 3 new Avengers in QS, Witch and Vision. Also, if Civil War is coming in some form, this could well be the 'last hurrah' for the original team before the times go a-changing, hence wanting to put Stark at the centre of the action.

I think, by the aftermath of Avengers 3, we'll have a lineup led by Bucky-cap, and with Vision, Witch, Quicksilver, Ant-man, maybe Dr Strange and possibly War Machine and a later Thor iteration (maybe Thunderstrike?). Basically, there's a lot of ways they can go when the Big 3 leave.

Good call on Bucky-Cap for A3 - nicely done!

 Alpharius wrote:
Good call on Bucky-Cap for A3 - nicely done!

To be honest, I think the reason they made such a deal of him being alive at the end of TWS was that, one way or another, he still has some part to play in Cap's arc, and if Civil War happens and ends the way it should, well...

Stan's signed for six films if I recall.. tbh I'll be more surprised if he didn't get the shield at some point, though not 100% if it'll be AV3, as I can't see how Cap can buy it in AV2 and then be in Cap 3.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Stan's signed for six films if I recall.. tbh I'll be more surprised if he didn't get the shield at some point, though not 100% if it'll be AV3, as I can't see how Cap can buy it in AV2 and then be in Cap 3.

Interesting, I didn't know he was on a multi-film contract. He could take over after Cap 3 (especially if Civil War is happening), but then Evans is on for 6 movies as well, so more likely he'll come in after Avengers 3.

Either way, I look forward to it, as he was perfect as The Winter Soldier and could really bring a darker edge to Cap, I think.

Ugh. This so didn't do it for me. Maybe it was the cringe inducing slow-mo Pinocchio in the background, but there was just no hint of fun of in this.I really hope this doesn't continue with the feel of Cap 2.

 Chongara wrote:
...there was just no hint of fun of in this.I really hope this doesn't continue with the feel of Cap 2.

To an extent, I agree. I think one of the key elements to the success of the Marvel films is that they have been fairly light and fun, as opposed to the dark and serious of the DC films. That's one reason why I really hope we don't get the Civil War storyline in the movies (also because the idea was kind of already done in the first three X-Men movies).