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2014/11/26 19:21:35
Subject: Re:Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
Why aren't these people so critical when it comes to bible stories? Where was the video camera for Noah's ark? How do you know Lazarus was really dead?
Even smart people shut off their brains when it comes to being critical of the Bible. One of my seemingly otherwise intelligent coworkers who happens to be painfully religious once told me that the "Bible proved itself." I couldn't keep the conversation friendly enough to find out what that meant, so I let it go.
Why aren't these people so critical when it comes to bible stories? Where was the video camera for Noah's ark? How do you know Lazarus was really dead?
I believe the game is, 1)start with the unbreakable notion that the Bible is true, and 2) disregard and attempt to discredit any evidence to the contrary.
2014/11/26 20:05:24
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
I've known atheists that were completely lost when it came to science and I've known religious people that were scientists. I've seen religious people who were open minded and atheists that were as inflexible as any zealot. Thinking they are opposing ideologies shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/11/26 20:20:44
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
It's hasn't been too long ago but I don't remember what thread I posted it in, but in a nutshell:
There have been frequent instances where scientists that latch onto a particular theory will continue to defend that theory even when new evidence is found that proves their theory wrong. They displayed behavior that was very similar to religious people.
2014/11/26 20:41:44
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
It's hasn't been too long ago but I don't remember what thread I posted it in, but in a nutshell:
There have been frequent instances where scientists that latch onto a particular theory will continue to defend that theory even when new evidence is found that proves their theory wrong. They displayed behavior that was very similar to religious people.
Exactly.
See Anthropogenic Global Warming theory.
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2014/11/26 20:55:22
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
Exactly. Virtually everyone agrees that there is a problem and we're responsible for at least a big part of it, and yet a small minority of scientists will rabidly defend their claims that we have nothing to worry about. The evidence is there, but blind faith in conservative ideology and stubborn refusal to admit that their beliefs might be wrong (along with an occasional bribe) take priority.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2014/11/26 20:58:45
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
Exactly. Virtually everyone agrees that there is a problem and we're responsible for at least a big part of it, and yet a small minority of scientists will rabidly defend their claims that we have nothing to worry about. The evidence is there, but blind faith in conservative ideology and stubborn refusal to admit that their beliefs might be wrong (along with an occasional bribe) take priority.
'scuse me, I got some coal strip mining to do.
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2014/11/26 21:08:33
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
whembly wrote: 'scuse me, I got some coal strip mining to do.
This is also quite relevant. Anti-climate-change scientists often get a lot of money from industries that wish to avoid any profit-damaging regulations in exchange for parroting the company propaganda with their own credentials added. Similarly, many young-earth creationists make a lot of money from their public position and have a strong incentive to keep denying the obvious even when they personally don't believe what they're saying.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2014/11/26 21:09:12
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2014/11/26 21:48:23
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
Exactly. Virtually everyone agrees that there is a problem and we're responsible for at least a big part of it, and yet a small minority of scientists will rabidly defend their claims that we have nothing to worry about. The evidence is there, but blind faith in conservative ideology and stubborn refusal to admit that their beliefs might be wrong (along with an occasional bribe) take priority.
'scuse me, I got some coal strip mining to do.
And I think I'll go in for a spot of oil sands reaping.
2014/11/26 23:11:36
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
Nope...Science is a methodology for testing hypotheses. Look it up.
The formation of a hypothesis is part of the scientific method, which is distinct from science as a whole. This is why the scientific method is referred to as "the scientific method" and not just "science" in the course of serious conversation.
Back to Altman's point, there are indeed forms of religion that distinctly contradict what certain fields of science (namely astronomy, biology, geography, and probably others) have discovered about the universe. This woman in the video certainly seems to be a follower of one such religion, although which one I'm not sure as I don't think she ever mentions it.
2014/11/27 06:33:02
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
That's not a requirement for something to be considered an ideology as the concept of ideologies predates the internet by many years.
Yes.
Your serious response seems to indicate though that you've mischaracterized my attempt at humor as a genuine belief that i think that ideology has not existed prior to the internet. I assure you, that is not the case. I agree entirely.
Back to Altman's point, there are indeed forms of religion that distinctly contradict what certain fields of science (namely astronomy, biology, geography, and probably others) have discovered about the universe. This woman in the video certainly seems to be a follower of one such religion, although which one I'm not sure as I don't think she ever mentions it.
Ahtman wrote: I've known atheists that were completely lost when it came to science and I've known religious people that were scientists. I've seen religious people who were open minded and atheists that were as inflexible as any zealot. Thinking they are opposing ideologies shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both.
Um, wasn't Altman's point that stupidity and zealotry are not restricted to religious people and science and logic is not restricted to atheists? Not that all religion is fact, or believes itself to have facts counter to mainstream scince?
This woman is to religion what conspiracy theorists are to science.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
2014/11/27 09:16:22
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
daedalus wrote: All of
Your serious response seems to indicate though that you've mischaracterized my attempt at humor as a genuine belief that i think that ideology has not existed prior to the internet. I assure you, that is not the case. I agree entirely.
All of my responses have been serious, I simply misinterpreted your attempt at humor. I apologize, but misinterpretation is not the same as mischaracterization.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/11/27 09:21:39
Subject: Megan Fox "Rips Apart" a Science Exhibit -- Is this a Joke or Real?
I envy sociopaths. A lot of people are happy to lie and take advantage of other people's superstitions -- mediums are one particularly despicable example. Yet these people often make a good living, and are adored by the people they prey on. As much as I find other people's superstitions frustrating (even annoying), a huge part of that is because I actually care about people and don't want to see them taken advantage of by these kind of charlatans. Yet the only thanks you usually get for trying to educate people is their contempt. While still having to live at the mercy of their misinformed political lobbying.
Is there just no downside to being a bastard?
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