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 Orlanth wrote:
So they are not overpowered like some bigger kits in 40K, ok. Can rifles mess them up?

Also what I I replace the word TAG above with "special character with a spitfire, lots of gadgets and nasty sword". I dont like using special characters in gaming, btw are they overhyped also.

TAGs can be killed by any model with a weapon. Structure points act like wounds, but can be repaired at any point, not just revived from unconsious like a model with wounds.

Effectively a TAG is a big target with a few wounds and a good ARM rating. Some even have ARM rating lower than the toughest HI in the game. Force armour saves on them, even with rifles, and they'll fail some.

Same with a special character with a nasty sword. Special characters in Infinity aren't all that powerful. Even someone like Kitsune, who will appear and potentially bisect someone with her lightsaber, as long as you position supporting units well, the incoming ARO's from any action after that will turn her into swiss cheese.

Infinity is actually a game where they've built a universe where special characters showing up makes sense (for the most part). The cube mechanic makes them functionally immortal. If they are killed, they're loaded into a new Lhost and sent back out (think along the lines of the movie The Sixth Day). Consider also that the vast, vast majority of conflicts are black ops missions, where you want your best operatives. Sending Tarik Mansuri along on a mission will be commonplace, and the opponent will meet them face to face, unlike, say, 40k where Marneus Calgar and the Abaddon meeting on the planet would be a rare occurance, and both would likely be vapourised by a Macro Cannon and be forever gone. Paradiso is a massive warfront, but is the exception, not the rule.

 Orlanth wrote:
Tell me how this is not totally broken. From what I can see you can move a nasty TAG around take all the ARO fire on your best armour, an take all the activations with your best gun.

As has been said, it's a very eggs in one basket thing.

TAGs are tough, but any unit in the game can bring them down. Most units aren't very good at it, but weight of fire and luck add up surprisingly fast. On the other end of the scale, there are some models that specialise in it. Units like Tankhunters, Azra'il and Oniwaban can take down TAGs in a single hit.

The other thing is that the points cost of the TAG already assumes that it's going to be spending a lot of orders from the pool.

 Orlanth wrote:
I dont like using special characters in gaming

Aside from what has already been said about special characters actually being integrated quite logically, there's a lot of them that aren't so special that you couldn't just use the profile for another veteran of their respective regiments.

That's how I've generally played Tarik Mansuri - not so much because it seems too implausible for him to be there, but because I prefer to write my own characters.

Now, what about conversions and WYSIWYG?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now, what about conversions and WYSIWYG?

You an convert as much as you want, however there is a long running Infinity curse that if you convert a model to a loadout that hasn't been released, CB will release said loadout shortly after.

General CB rule is, if the model with the loadout exists, then you should use it, if not proxy. However most TOs and players don't really care about WYSIWYG in Infinity.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:


General CB rule is, if the model with the loadout exists, then you should use it, if not proxy. However most TOs and players don't really care about WYSIWYG in Infinity.

What if the model with the loadout you want doesn't look as good as the conversion fodder? I am finding this out with the Muttawi'ah, the only one appropriately posed (running forward like a loon) is the one armed with the wrong gun.

 Orlanth wrote:

 NuclearMessiah wrote:


General CB rule is, if the model with the loadout exists, then you should use it, if not proxy. However most TOs and players don't really care about WYSIWYG in Infinity.

What if the model with the loadout you want doesn't look as good as the conversion fodder? I am finding this out with the Muttawi'ah, the only one appropriately posed (running forward like a loon) is the one armed with the wrong gun.

I would think as long as whatever conversion you do would not confuse your opponent as to what the model is/does then you should be alright.

 Orlanth wrote:

 NuclearMessiah wrote:


General CB rule is, if the model with the loadout exists, then you should use it, if not proxy. However most TOs and players don't really care about WYSIWYG in Infinity.

What if the model with the loadout you want doesn't look as good as the conversion fodder? I am finding this out with the Muttawi'ah, the only one appropriately posed (running forward like a loon) is the one armed with the wrong gun.

As long as the base model is a CB model, your good to go for conversion and ITS (otherwise it doesn't matter). WYSIWYG doesn't really work anyways so don't worry to much there, in fact CB has models with no BS weapon just so you can go "this is a Spitfire or this is a Boarding Shotgun".

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now, what about conversions and WYSIWYG?

Conversions are largely good as long as they're based on a Corvus Belli model*, WYSIWYG isn't a requirement (as you are explicitly required to say what each model is and has when they are deployed... and indeed at any other point during the game), but proxying is only allowed in tournaments if there isn't an official model. (Although that's the official rules, which most tournament organisers are considerably more forgiving about).

I've quite comfortably got away with this, which is used as a Haqqislam Azra'il with Panzerfaust, but the base model is a Yu Jing Domaru (with a head from a Tohaa I'd earlier decapitated. As only the eyes would eventually be visible under the green stuff, it was perfectly serviceable and saved me the job of sculpting the eyes from scratch):



... so really, you have quite a lot of freedom when it comes to converting.

That's one awesome Azra'il. Wish I could sculpt like that.

Why do I do this, I get super excited for a game, then realize I have no $$$$ to start it. I know its cheap, but im broke
:(

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why do I do this, I get super excited for a game, then realize I have no $$$$ to start it. I know its cheap, but im broke
:(

Just use your 40k minis in the interim. It will take you a while to learn the mechanics anyway. Just make a list of models you eventually want to collect and proxy while you learn

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now, what about conversions and WYSIWYG?

You an convert as much as you want, however there is a long running Infinity curse that if you convert a model to a loadout that hasn't been released, CB will release said loadout shortly after.

That just means that YOUR one will be even more distinctive and special-snowflake. I've done conversions just because I wanted a new model made for me.
Made up a croc man with boarding shotgun and sat it on the shelf in the cabinet. Then they released a better looking one than the existing sculpts anyway.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now, what about conversions and WYSIWYG?

You an convert as much as you want, however there is a long running Infinity curse that if you convert a model to a loadout that hasn't been released, CB will release said loadout shortly after.

If this is true CB is running late on my Sun Tze Multi Rifle and my Spitfire Crane

 aldo wrote:

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now, what about conversions and WYSIWYG?

You an convert as much as you want, however there is a long running Infinity curse that if you convert a model to a loadout that hasn't been released, CB will release said loadout shortly after.

If this is true CB is running late on my Sun Tze Multi Rifle and my Spitfire Crane

Hmmm perhaps there is a mandatory sacrifice required as well