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tyllon wrote:Certain pieces of wargear or special rules can modify a model’s characteristics positively or negatively by adding to it (+1, +2, etc.), subtracting from it (–1, –2, etc.), multiplying it (×2, ×3, etc.) or even setting its value (1, 8, etc.).

A modifier is defined using the words adding, subtracting, multiplying and setting.

How is that incorrect?

Just so we're on the same page here, you are claiming that the increase of 1 is not a modifier?
Because that would mean that your Thunderwolf mounts suffer Instant Death to anything Strength 8 or more, as instant death is done against modified toughness. If the increase to Toughness, Strength, etc, is not a modifier, then you use the base of 4 to figure out Instant Death.

rigeld2 wrote:

tyllon wrote:
Certain pieces of wargear or special rules can modify a model’s characteristics positively or negatively by adding to it (+1, +2, etc.), subtracting from it (–1, –2, etc.), multiplying it (×2, ×3, etc.) or even setting its value (1, 8, etc.).

A modifier is defined using the words adding, subtracting, multiplying and setting.

How is that incorrect?

Because it's not defined using those words. Because, as shown, +1 doesn't use the word add, but it's a modifier.

sorry, correcting you will just lead this argument off the cliff.

@kriswall: Your examples are flawed as both number lines and objects are just visual representations. If you look up a number line moving to the right is defined as addition. The bowl of beans is the small thing, putting additional beans in the bowl is adding....

 Ond Angel wrote:

tyllon wrote:Certain pieces of wargear or special rules can modify a model’s characteristics positively or negatively by adding to it (+1, +2, etc.), subtracting from it (–1, –2, etc.), multiplying it (×2, ×3, etc.) or even setting its value (1, 8, etc.).

A modifier is defined using the words adding, subtracting, multiplying and setting.

How is that incorrect?

Just so we're on the same page here, you are claiming that the increase of 1 is not a modifier?
Because that would mean that your Thunderwolf mounts suffer Instant Death to anything Strength 8 or more, as instant death is done against modified toughness. If the increase to Toughness, Strength, etc, is not a modifier, then you use the base of 4 to figure out Instant Death.

No. we are not on the same page. increase is not a modifier is correct. T will be 5 not 4. Increase is not a modifier but increase still need to take place.

In short, this is a mess. Discuss with your opponent before the game if in doubt.