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From 'Wobbly Model Syndrome':

In cases like this, we find it is perfectly acceptable to leave the model in a safer position, as long as both players have agreed and know its 'actual' position.

I stand by my previous statement. Both players have to agree to its use and both players have to know the models 'actual' position.

That's a house-rule then and NOT WMS.

WMS explicitely refers to..well...wobbly models that cannot be properly placed. Stuff like "let's imagine the model hovers here" is not WMS, it's a house-rule.

No, its not a house rule. The passage I quoted above has two components as seen by the use of the word 'and'. It can literally be read as the following:

In cases like this, we find it is perfectly acceptable to leave the model in a safer position, as long as both players have agreed.

In cases like this, we find it is perfectly acceptable to leave the model in a safer position, as long as both players know its 'actual' position.

So it is RAW for both players to agree to the rules use.

Quoting out of context. The lines above precisely tell you when to apply WMS.

Unless you are arguing that by letting a model drop out of thin air, it was "in balance" for a tiny fraction of a second, then this is not WMS.

No. Its not quoting out of context. the rule tells you that A) you must agree and B) both players must know its 'actual' position. Perhaps you can tell us what we have to agree on then? Its not the models 'actual' position because that's covered by the portion of the sentence after the 'and' which makes it separate.

"Sometimes, you may find that a particular piece of terrain makes it hard to put a model exactly where you want. If you delicately balance it in place, it is very likely to fall as soon as somebody nudges the table, leaving [...]."

Where exactly do you take the permission to apply this rule to anything despite it clearly limiting it to terrain problems?

The WMS pissing contest is not going to go any where. In the end both sides will still be where they are with DR and Ghaz stating you can use it anytime you could move somewhere but can't place it there and others stating that you have to actually be able to place the model there if even for a second. Move on with the discussion and start yet another thread about WMS and it's usage.

No need to. Both of us agree with it being a worthwhile house-rule and that's what counts.

It clearly isn't WMS, however, as pointed out above. You need permission to use any rule, you can't just apply your own logic to it. That's RAI, not RAW.

 Godeth wrote:
I dont have the rule book to hand but I'm fairly certen that its stats the base can be ignored and units can even move onto it when moving etc.

"Models that physically fit under a Flyer model can move beneath it. Likewise, a Flyer can end its move over such models. [i] However, when moving this way, enemy models must still remain 1" away from the base of the Flyer, and the Flyer cannot end its move within its base within 1" of other enemy models."


As per the Core book page 84, section titled Flyers and Other Models.

Edit: Sorry, wasn't addressing the entirety of the thread. In short, yes they can block you but no, you cannot block yourself.

 Peregrine wrote:
Not really a YMDC question since there's no ambiguity in how the rules work, but the answer is "because GW sucks at writing good rules". The flyer rules in 40k are just plain awful, and whoever wrote them should be fired for their incompetence. But hey, flyer models are great for Forging™ The™ Narrative™ so be sure to buy a few!

exalted!

AkiraSovu wrote:

 Godeth wrote:
I dont have the rule book to hand but I'm fairly certen that its stats the base can be ignored and units can even move onto it when moving etc.

"Models that physically fit under a Flyer model can move beneath it. Likewise, a Flyer can end its move over such models."

As per the Core book page 84, section titled Flyers and Other Modelss

Read the very next sentence please.