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I voted lion because he is what the primarchs should have been fluff wise, human but not quite getting all the subtle nuances a human is born with, because at the end of the day they are not even remotely human.

I like Vulkan, I think he's a cool dude. Also he's a father to his men.

 lcmiracle wrote:
I like Vulkan, I think he's a cool dude. Also he's a father to his men.

Most of the Primarchs were a father to their men.

Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

I like Konrad... Marlon Brando FTW! Sanguiny is my favourite loyal but Konrad is overall.

Noobbomb ... your avatar ... bad guy from Dragon Age?

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

Lol no love for corax and surprisingly no love for one of the biggest characters in the entire fluff the webmaster himself horus

I also really like Corax actually he was an option too. Most of them are pretty awesome in one way or another.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, it's a lot better than people give it credit for.

 theemporerprotectsnone wrote:
Lol no love for corax and surprisingly no love for one of the biggest characters in the entire fluff the webmaster himself horus

Same. I knew Sanguinius was going to be popular, but I'm surprised Horus and Russ aren't up there with him.

 theemporerprotectsnone wrote:
Lol no love for corax and surprisingly no love for one of the biggest characters in the entire fluff the webmaster himself horus

Well being the big bad of the HH story line has its drawbacks...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
I like Vulkan, I think he's a cool dude. Also he's a father to his men.

Most of the Primarchs were a father to their men.

Yeah I admit I might have jumped the guns here... While being "A Father to His Men" mean that not only must one be a fatherly figure to those under his/her(if is "A Mother to her men/women") command, one must also genuinely care for them. The father must treat those under him with genuine fatherly love and respect and shiz, maybe even dropping a few Manly Tears off screen for his sons he knew he sent to die. I haven't read Vulkan lives yet, so I based that on this image alone:
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also Xa'ven, the Salamander legionaire from Scars was a really cool dude.

But to extend on this point: from Horus Rising and False Gods, I've gathered that while Horus did care for the Luna Wolves, he was also doing that very politician-like - to induce devotion and gather support, to broker terms and issue commands. This would make sense seeming how he was the Warmaster, and he can only care for so much before having to stop. Although IIRC the one scene where he fought side by side when surrounded by an Interex army was pretty fatherly like. Russ was ok to his warriors, like in Scars and Prosperos Burns, what passages described him was either him being pissed off at his enemis or him treating his men as friends, or as much as a feudal king would treat who he considers are friends; Ferrus Manus, in Fulgrim at least, struck me as more of a normally cool and calculating character; no the kind to mangle with humanly emotions. I also found Fulgrim too eccentric, Angron too angry, Mortarion too secluded to fit this character.

Sanguinus might fit this trope. Guilliman, while certainly no general ripper, I feel is too military-minded to be that old man. Not sure about Lion either, it seems most of his HH novels describe events seemingly nearly-unrelated to the Rebellion itself, so I haven't make room in my budget nor schedule for them. Jahaghtai Khan also seemed to me, close to this trope, then again, Scars described only that he treated the likes of Yesuegei, his life-long friends and comrades from before the Great Crusade, well, and he had more down-to-earth interaction with that "Ministratum woman" than almost all of his sons. The final parable Yesuegei told to the Khan also struck me as more of a "wise man calming an angry warlord" story. Conrad... somwhow doesn't seem likely to be this character, and Alpharius/Omegan are to&*#&*^#$^(*#$

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, it's a lot better than people give it credit for.

I really enjoyed it too. I guess I meant 'I know most people don't like AE, but...' There are a few little niggles with it but nothing major, and I love it purely because of Sharrowkyn.

The Iron Warrior player/fan in me says Perturabo. I think I'll go with him.

Honorable mentions go to Curze for being Batman gone too far and Angron for the whole Spartacus thing he has going.

 lcmiracle wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
I like Vulkan, I think he's a cool dude. Also he's a father to his men.

Most of the Primarchs were a father to their men.

Yeah I admit I might have jumped the guns here... While being "A Father to His Men" mean that not only must one be a fatherly figure to those under his/her(if is "A Mother to her men/women") command, one must also genuinely care for them. The father must treat those under him with genuine fatherly love and respect and shiz, maybe even dropping a few Manly Tears off screen for his sons he knew he sent to die. I haven't read Vulkan lives yet, so I based that on this image alone:
\

also Xa'ven, the Salamander legionaire from Scars was a really cool dude.

But to extend on this point: from Horus Rising and False Gods, I've gathered that while Horus did care for the Luna Wolves, he was also doing that very politician-like - to induce devotion and gather support, to broker terms and issue commands. This would make sense seeming how he was the Warmaster, and he can only care for so much before having to stop. Although IIRC the one scene where he fought side by side when surrounded by an Interex army was pretty fatherly like. Russ was ok to his warriors, like in Scars and Prosperos Burns, what passages described him was either him being pissed off at his enemis or him treating his men as friends, or as much as a feudal king would treat who he considers are friends; Ferrus Manus, in Fulgrim at least, struck me as more of a normally cool and calculating character; no the kind to mangle with humanly emotions. I also found Fulgrim too eccentric, Angron too angry, Mortarion too secluded to fit this character.

Sanguinus might fit this trope. Guilliman, while certainly no general ripper, I feel is too military-minded to be that old man. Not sure about Lion either, it seems most of his HH novels describe events seemingly nearly-unrelated to the Rebellion itself, so I haven't make room in my budget nor schedule for them. Jahaghtai Khan also seemed to me, close to this trope, then again, Scars described only that he treated the likes of Yesuegei, his life-long friends and comrades from before the Great Crusade, well, and he had more down-to-earth interaction with that "Ministratum woman" than almost all of his sons. The final parable Yesuegei told to the Khan also struck me as more of a "wise man calming an angry warlord" story. Conrad... somwhow doesn't seem likely to be this character, and Alpharius/Omegan are to&*#&*^#$^(*#$

Nah I get what you mean, Vulkan is the most human, and seems the most caring of the Primarchs. Most of the traitors definitely aren't as fatherly, except maybe Horus early on, and I think Lorgar definitely was very fatherly before his corruption, from how he treats Argal Tal after he went into the Eye of Terror. Perturabo literally had ten percent of his legion killed, Angron seems to care very little for his legion (weird seeing as he's all about brotherhood), Curze hates his legion, Mortarion...we've not seen much of but their whole attrition style leads me to think he doesn't care overly, oh Magnus is probably another that's quite fatherly, Fulgrim just cares about glory, Alpharius isn't overly caring but isn't overly cold to his legion, he treats them as equal I think, let's them all have their say.

Russ and The Khan I think do care, like you say, they treat their men like friends and equals as warriors rather than sons. Guillaman I think it mentions in KNF that he doesn't quite have the rapport with his legion that others have, but from his anger at the betrayal and his sons being killed on Calth I think he does care like a father, just maybe a distant one too wrapped up in his work. Ferrus Manus is very inhuman and cold, I think in Massacre it mentions legionnaires being killed for failures and such. Sanguinius is up there with Vulkan for being like a father. I don't like the Lion so I don't really know. Dorn i think is possibly like Guillaman, a bit distant, and it mentions in Extermination that he would use as many men as needed to complete a task, but doesn't like it, while Perturabo will do so without a second thought. Corax cares for his men but is fairly independent just due to the nature of his legion, but again his anger at the massacre of his sons at Istvaan shows he is quite fatherly.

All in all I think I overstated the 'fatherlyness' of the Primarchs a little.

Ferrus Manus, because he is dead and we will never again have to read any more badly written primarch spank about him (which leaves more for our spritual liege... ) .

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

It's the reason I went with Iron Warriors instead of Word Bearers for my Chaos army

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

It's the reason I went with Iron Warriors instead of Word Bearers for my Chaos army

I'm torn between the two for 30k, they're both pretty awesome. Actually I'm torn between about 9 for 30k...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, it's a lot better than people give it credit for.

I really enjoyed it too. I guess I meant 'I know most people don't like AE, but...' There are a few little niggles with it but nothing major, and I love it purely because of Sharrowkyn.

Sharrowkyn is brilliant in it, I am currently reading Seventh Serpent mainly because it follows on from AE

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, it's a lot better than people give it credit for.

I really enjoyed it too. I guess I meant 'I know most people don't like AE, but...' There are a few little niggles with it but nothing major, and I love it purely because of Sharrowkyn.

Sharrowkyn is brilliant in it, I am currently reading Seventh Serpent mainly because it follows on from AE

I finished that last week. I enjoyed it - anything with the Alpha Legion and Sharrowkyn in it is alright by me!

 ImAGeek wrote:

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, it's a lot better than people give it credit for.

I really enjoyed it too. I guess I meant 'I know most people don't like AE, but...' There are a few little niggles with it but nothing major, and I love it purely because of Sharrowkyn.

Sharrowkyn is brilliant in it, I am currently reading Seventh Serpent mainly because it follows on from AE

I finished that last week. I enjoyed it - anything with the Alpha Legion and Sharrowkyn in it is alright by me!

I often wish there was a like button on this forum. Now is one of those times.

 King Pariah wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Why are you all writing "Perturabo" wrong?

Haha, Perturabo is pretty awesome. I know as a whole Angel Exterminatus isn't a great book, but I really like Pertys character in it. I almost went with him actually.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, it's a lot better than people give it credit for.

I really enjoyed it too. I guess I meant 'I know most people don't like AE, but...' There are a few little niggles with it but nothing major, and I love it purely because of Sharrowkyn.

Sharrowkyn is brilliant in it, I am currently reading Seventh Serpent mainly because it follows on from AE

I finished that last week. I enjoyed it - anything with the Alpha Legion and Sharrowkyn in it is alright by me!

Sharrowkyn, the only being in the gaxaly that acts like a fething ninja and then runs away, while also killing lucius and everything in his path.....

I voted The Lion, mostly because he is the only primarch that is not insane, and acts like a loyal and noble primarch. I mean he was screwed over quite a bit, and his hate for Gulliman is well placed.

Guillaman, Sanguinius, both perfectly sane, loyal and noble.

i would vote angron if FW hadnt destroyed his image for me... i dont like his model at all :[
therefore its Horus

 ImAGeek wrote:
Guillaman, Sanguinius, both perfectly sane, loyal and noble.

Gulliman was selfish and wanted to create his own empire.

Sanguinius was the true warmaster and deserved to be the true warmaster.

If he was warmaster. There would of been no heresy, humanity would of live and Lorgar would of been screwed.

The Lion is not an adminstrator, Sanguinius and Horus are.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Guillaman, Sanguinius, both perfectly sane, loyal and noble.

Gulliman was selfish and wanted to create his own empire.

Sanguinius was the true warmaster and deserved to be the true warmaster.

If he was warmaster. There would of been no heresy, humanity would of live and Lorgar would of been screwed.

The Lion is not an adminstrator, Sanguinius and Horus are.

I'm sorry, you can't talk about questionable loyalty if you're supporting the Lion...

Guillaman thought Terra had/ could have fallen. He was taking steps to secure man kinds future. He didn't even want to be the new Emperor, He gave that to Sanguinius.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Guillaman, Sanguinius, both perfectly sane, loyal and noble.

Gulliman was selfish and wanted to create his own empire.

Sanguinius was the true warmaster and deserved to be the true warmaster.

If he was warmaster. There would of been no heresy, humanity would of live and Lorgar would of been screwed.

The Lion is not an adminstrator, Sanguinius and Horus are.

I'm sorry, you can't talk about questionable loyalty if you're supporting the Lion...

Guillaman thought Terra had/ could have fallen. He was taking steps to secure man kinds future. He didn't even want to be the new Emperor, He gave that to Sanguinius.

He only did that after the Lion literally asked. "What are you doing?"

Gulliman tried to become empire. The Lion literally says that "Gulliman wants an empire of his own."

The Lion arrived too late for the throne, he did not have questionable loyalty as said by the demon Fateweaver who tried to bring the Lion to his side, but said he was too stubborn and loved the Emperor too much.

The Lion was trained as a Knight. But he would not betray his lord and emperor.

Gulliman wanted his own empire. The Lion did not think it was good to betray the emperor.

Oh the Lion said that?! Must be true...

Guillaman didn't betray anyone. He was attempting to start over in case Terra had fallen, bearing in mind he didn't know what was going on because of warp storms. He was setting up a contingency plan.

I loathe gulliman who tells everyone how superior everything is he does and that they should do their work after his principles ... Besides, his name always sounds to me like "the gully man", has a very sewage ring to it... fits him.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh the Lion said that?! Must be true...

Guillaman didn't betray anyone. He was attempting to start over in case Terra had fallen, bearing in mind he didn't know what was going on because of warp storms. He was setting up a contingency plan.

The Lion was not a traitor, Guillaman was making an empire of his own. Not just because he thought terra had fallen but because he really didn't care. He wanted to rule. He was jealous of Horus being warmaster.

That sounds like someone giving up and saying oh well. I'll do something that could be considered heresy anyway.