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No it's not. Shipping adds to the cost, but you can be happy with the cost of the model seperately.

If they thought the price was too high, they'd have picked one of the too high options. You can't count that in with your too high ones.

Agreed, currently sits af 60% feeling the price is worth it. 10% care about it being a premium product. With just 30% feeling the price is too high

 Melcavuk wrote:
Agreed, currently sits af 60% feeling the price is worth it. 10% care about it being a premium product. With just 30% feeling the price is too high

89% agree the price is too high. 48% are okay with being over charged. This is my interpretation.

Your interpretation is wrong. The standard your set is "too high", by the qualification that it is worth it it cannot therefore be "too high"

At the moment, 38% think it's okay, 20% think its a bit high but worth it next to GW, 29% say it's too high, and 13% say GW is overpriced and FW should be premium. It's that easy.

On the "too high" debate thats last qualifier is largely irrelevant, given that it doesnt factor FW pricing in just GW at large.

Good point, I was just including it for completeness.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Your interpretation is wrong. The standard your set is "too high", by the qualification that it is worth it it cannot therefore be "too high"

Here is a hypothetical situation that will help you see my reasoning is on point.

Say FW offered free shipping but increased the cost of their models by 12%. The net price would remain the same.
How would the people who answered option 2 answer the poll now? Would they now call it overpriced? They already voted that the cost of the model was appropriate without the shipping cost included and shipping cost was the issue?

Furthermore if option 3 isn't agreeing that the price is too high - how is it any different than option 1?

It isnt different, as with many polls alot of the answers are the same. Essentially this poll can be split down into 3 No, 2 Yes and a Maybe. However choice is always nice so there is some variation on each other those.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Your interpretation is wrong. The standard your set is "too high", by the qualification that it is worth it it cannot therefore be "too high"

Here is a hypothetical situation that will help you see my reasoning is on point.

Say FW offered free shipping but increased the cost of their models by 12%. The net price would remain the same.
How would the people who answered option 2 answer the poll now? Would they now call it overpriced? They already voted that the cost of the model was appropriate without the shipping cost included and shipping cost was the issue?

Furthermore if option 3 isn't agreeing that the price is too high - how is it any different than option 1?

How are we meant to tell you how people would now answer the poll? Thing is, shipping is a separate cost from the model cost. And you can avoid paying it, if you save for a bulk order, or order something when they have their free shipping voucher thingy on. I'm happy with the price of the models, but I feel like the shipping is a lot. That doesn't stop me ordering though. If the shipping was free and the models were 12% more I guess I'd still pay it, because it's the same price I would pay now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Your interpretation is wrong. The standard your set is "too high", by the qualification that it is worth it it cannot therefore be "too high"

Here is a hypothetical situation that will help you see my reasoning is on point.

Say FW offered free shipping but increased the cost of their models by 12%. The net price would remain the same.
How would the people who answered option 2 answer the poll now? Would they now call it overpriced? They already voted that the cost of the model was appropriate without the shipping cost included and shipping cost was the issue?

Furthermore if option 3 isn't agreeing that the price is too high - how is it any different than option 1?

How are we meant to tell you how people would now answer the poll? Thing is, shipping is a separate cost from the model cost. And you can avoid paying it, if you save for a bulk order, or order something when they have their free shipping voucher thingy on. I'm happy with the price of the models, but I feel like the shipping is a lot. That doesn't stop me ordering though. If the shipping was free and the models were 12% more I guess I'd still pay it, because it's the same price I would pay now.

My argument is the poll is poor because it has too many options that essentially mean the same thing.

Make a better one then?

Compared to GW?

FW is one of those things you laugh at and use as an example of, "Why do you play with those silly figures...."

Myself?
I picked up one of the sets of resin barracades back in the day that was around 7 bucks for them at the old GW HQ in Maryland as one of those little "I got this from GW." things.

I don't think the stuff is worth the cost, but some people do. Even more, people just can't afford it. If they want to sell more, they'll lower the price.

I think its because they are such a PITA to make this stuff that it's priced as it is. If you want to buy it, go for it. Some of it is pretty cool, it's all on what you personally value of it.

 Melcavuk wrote:
It isnt different, as with many polls alot of the answers are the same. Essentially this poll can be split down into 3 No, 2 Yes and a Maybe. However choice is always nice so there is some variation on each other those.

Variation is not what you want when you want the answer to the question - Are forge world prices too high? Yes or No would be fine in this case. This data is so useless. It can be bended with argument - it has no actual value.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
It isnt different, as with many polls alot of the answers are the same. Essentially this poll can be split down into 3 No, 2 Yes and a Maybe. However choice is always nice so there is some variation on each other those.

Variation is not what you want when you want the answer to the question - Are forge world prices too high? Yes or No would be fine in this case. This data is so useless. It can be bended with argument - it has no actual value.

Again, make a better poll then, instead of moaning about this one and twisting the answers to fit your opinion.

I just built a list for DKoK, 1500 points made up of 100% FW models. To buy it, I'd need to spend £734.50. £71 artillery carriages are insanely priced IMO.

But then, what do you want from Forge World? I like to pop one or two pieces into an army as a centrepiece, like a contemptor or two in a 40K army. For that, the prices are fine. But as much as I would like a 30K army made up of all Forge World components, I can't see me ever stumping up the cash for that.

I also don't really know enough about their costs. I assume it's cheap to make the stuff on a model by model basis but then I bet it's expensive to design and set up that casting and they obviously have a finite amount of production. Every second spent making an artillery carriage that someone might want is time that could be spent making Space Marines that loads of people do want. So I don't know.

If it was cheaper, I wouldn't desire it as much, too, because of that ingrained assumption that expensive = best.

Voted too high though, which I now think I would change, having thought about it.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Agreed, currently sits af 60% feeling the price is worth it. 10% care about it being a premium product. With just 30% feeling the price is too high

89% agree the price is too high. 48% are okay with being over charged. This is my interpretation.

137% ?!?!?!?!?!

We are going full ham!

 Desubot wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Agreed, currently sits af 60% feeling the price is worth it. 10% care about it being a premium product. With just 30% feeling the price is too high

89% agree the price is too high. 48% are okay with being over charged. This is my interpretation.

137% ?!?!?!?!?!

We are going full ham!

What gave you the urge to add those 2 things together? Follow the post it's clear what I was saying. 100% - 89% answered option 2-5 - then I added 2 and 3's percentage together because - these 2 groups think it's overpriced but buy it anyways.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Agreed, currently sits af 60% feeling the price is worth it. 10% care about it being a premium product. With just 30% feeling the price is too high

89% agree the price is too high. 48% are okay with being over charged. This is my interpretation.

137% ?!?!?!?!?!

We are going full ham!

What gave you the urge to add those 2 things together? Follow the post it's clear what I was saying. 100% - 89% answered option 2-5 - then I added 2 and 3's percentage together because - these 2 groups think it's overpriced but buy it anyways.

Where in any of that poll did you see that people are still buying???

Shuffling numbers around to match your agenda is bad mmk?

People think its EXPENSIVE but buying anyway. Not over priced, not priced too high. Over priced implied the cost outweighs benefit, namely options 4 and 5.

Price to high: No or more accurately I think they are worth it. Interesting and individualistic sculpts, giant tanks, giant Robots and some of the best books ever sold by GW.

Shipping extra especially charges at a flat percentage is somewhat archaic and overpriced. Fortunately there are plenty of ways to get free shipping out of FW - Conventions, GW stores, free over a certain value and reasonably frequent free shipping vouchers, so it not such a problem.

I think their prices are high on some things but within reason on others. The 12% postage is just too high though, it bares no relation to the actual costs of someone picking stuff off a shelf or the weight in transit. If you spend £200 on forge world you could be getting just a handful of miniatures which are lightweight and take up minimal space. But you're going to be hit by nearly £25 postage. That's just absurd, postage and packaging does not cost that. What they do with VAT to overseas customers is a cheat too. I've been looking at some pre-heresy and there's about £150 of stuff I'd like to start with. But they'll add nearly £20 on just to post it.

The prices forge world charges for the quality of models received is not acceptable. That new dreadnought costs $113.50 with shipping. For that price, I expect a model that goes together seamlessly and easily like the Riptide or Imperial Knight. Those two models are worth their $80/$140 price tags because they aren't a chore to put together and can be built in an evening.

I'm currently on day3 of building my Glaive, and the plastic bits went together perfectly. The delay in my building comes from the fact that the interface between resin/plastic just sucks. The outer shell doesn't like up well with the plastic chassis, and I had to modify the plastic to get the resin top plate to even fit correctly. This Glaive kit costs £183.68 with shipping, and converted into my local currency, that is right around $280. The stock baneblade that the core of the vehicle only costs $140 and goes together much easier than this thing. I'd love to buy more forgeworld, but with these prices for quality that is this lacking, I can't bring myself to do it.

Also, all this talk on the shipping costs is absurd. If the price of a model is listed at £40, then its real cost is £44.80. The only time this is not the case is when you get free shipping, which is more akin to a 10.8% discount and brings the price down to £40. And to put that into reference, that is only 1/2 the cost of the VAT that is included with each model.

 Xenomancers wrote:
What gave you the urge to add those 2 things together? Follow the post it's clear what I was saying. 100% - 89% answered option 2-5 - then I added 2 and 3's percentage together because - these 2 groups think it's overpriced but buy it anyways.

I voted 3 because I think it's a bit overpriced but that doesn't mean I buy it anyways. It simply means I think it's worth it compared to GW stuff... I also don't buy GW stuff, I simply think compared to GW stuff it's worth the premium.

I have the postage listed separately because most of the folks that I know who buy Forge World put together a big enough order that they qualify for free shipping.

We are talking about three to five people chipping in on a $500 order - so shipping does not enter into the equation. (And is the advantage of having a big enough group that clubbing together a $500 is an option.)

The sad thing is that the last time such an order went in was almost three years ago - people have been dropping out of WH40K since the previous edition, and the new edition has not pulled them back in.

I am more upset that I forgot to have an option about Quality Control.

The Auld Grump

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
It isnt different, as with many polls alot of the answers are the same. Essentially this poll can be split down into 3 No, 2 Yes and a Maybe. However choice is always nice so there is some variation on each other those.

Variation is not what you want when you want the answer to the question - Are forge world prices too high? Yes or No would be fine in this case. This data is so useless. It can be bended with argument - it has no actual value.

It's a poll about a niche product in a niche market on the internet.

Edit: NICHE not NICE!

 monders wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
It isnt different, as with many polls alot of the answers are the same. Essentially this poll can be split down into 3 No, 2 Yes and a Maybe. However choice is always nice so there is some variation on each other those.

Variation is not what you want when you want the answer to the question - Are forge world prices too high? Yes or No would be fine in this case. This data is so useless. It can be bended with argument - it has no actual value.

It's a poll about a niche product in a niche market on the internet.

Edit: NICHE not NICE!

But what if it's a nice niche?

The Auld Grump

 Mulletdude wrote:
The prices forge world charges for the quality of models received is not acceptable. That new dreadnought costs $113.50 with shipping. For that price, I expect a model that goes together seamlessly and easily like the Riptide or Imperial Knight. Those two models are worth their $80/$140 price tags because they aren't a chore to put together and can be built in an evening.

I'm currently on day3 of building my Glaive, and the plastic bits went together perfectly. The delay in my building comes from the fact that the interface between resin/plastic just sucks. The outer shell doesn't like up well with the plastic chassis, and I had to modify the plastic to get the resin top plate to even fit correctly. This Glaive kit costs £183.68 with shipping, and converted into my local currency, that is right around $280. The stock baneblade that the core of the vehicle only costs $140 and goes together much easier than this thing. I'd love to buy more forgeworld, but with these prices for quality that is this lacking, I can't bring myself to do it.

Also, all this talk on the shipping costs is absurd. If the price of a model is listed at £40, then its real cost is £44.80. The only time this is not the case is when you get free shipping, which is more akin to a 10.8% discount and brings the price down to £40. And to put that into reference, that is only 1/2 the cost of the VAT that is included with each model.

Quality is the main reason I say it's overpriced...If it was actually a superior product I think I'd shut up about it but it's not. I see it as paying more for less actually. GW modles are better quality imo - at least in the sense that their pieces fit together properly and retain their shape throughout their life. Definition and style are perspective issues - so I'm not sure how you'd rate that. My friend bought a hydra from FW a few years back...the barrels on those guns arrived bent and never looked straight after he worked for hours to make them straight. I've never heard of anyone having an issue with a GW model like that nor have I see that in any of my hundreds of models.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Mulletdude wrote:
The prices forge world charges for the quality of models received is not acceptable. That new dreadnought costs $113.50 with shipping. For that price, I expect a model that goes together seamlessly and easily like the Riptide or Imperial Knight. Those two models are worth their $80/$140 price tags because they aren't a chore to put together and can be built in an evening.

I'm currently on day3 of building my Glaive, and the plastic bits went together perfectly. The delay in my building comes from the fact that the interface between resin/plastic just sucks. The outer shell doesn't like up well with the plastic chassis, and I had to modify the plastic to get the resin top plate to even fit correctly. This Glaive kit costs £183.68 with shipping, and converted into my local currency, that is right around $280. The stock baneblade that the core of the vehicle only costs $140 and goes together much easier than this thing. I'd love to buy more forgeworld, but with these prices for quality that is this lacking, I can't bring myself to do it.

Also, all this talk on the shipping costs is absurd. If the price of a model is listed at £40, then its real cost is £44.80. The only time this is not the case is when you get free shipping, which is more akin to a 10.8% discount and brings the price down to £40. And to put that into reference, that is only 1/2 the cost of the VAT that is included with each model.

Quality is the main reason I say it's overpriced...If it was actually a superior product I think I'd shut up about it but it's not. I see it as paying more for less actually. GW modles are better quality imo - at least in the sense that their pieces fit together properly and retain their shape throughout their life. Definition and style are perspective issues - so I'm not sure how you'd rate that. My friend bought a hydra from FW a few years back...the barrels on those guns arrived bent and never looked straight after he worked for hours to make them straight. I've never heard of anyone having an issue with a GW model like that nor have I see that in any of my hundreds of models.

Different materials with different properties. Their quality control inst great, the actual quality is good. The sculpts are amazing, and when you get one that's cast well there's very little problems, certainly no more than with any other resin model manufacturer.

Bent guns? You should have called FW for a new piece.

I've never had a problem with FW quality, price or service.