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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Chupacabras are almost done. Here’s all the bits. We had to chop off all of the arms and legs for the molds to work best, so those will be on little labeled sprues so you will know what pieces go where. I was hoping to not have as many parts, but we just can’t have dynamic poses any other way. The parts should all fit together perfectly though and shouldn’t require pinning thanks to the little plugs we’re using. Since you’ll have to glue them together I decided to make these guys be man sized instead of dog sized, just so it’s a little easier to build and the parts won’t be all teeny.


   
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Steady Dwarf Warrior




Middletown OH

Hey,just saw that the savage beasts playtest rules were released, ill try and get some games in soon and send feedback when i can.


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Oh, and is there anyway to get your official terrain in US dollars anywhere? i cant seem to find any.

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“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Nope, no official buildings really. There's the Battle Flag buildings here:

http://www.wargame-buildings.com/blackwater-gulch.html

They're not really totally official but I gave em permission to use the name and they made an update to their hotel model to give it a flat roof and we named it the Blackwater Palace. Some day I hope to make some of my own resin buildings, but the sculpting will be expensive and I want to focus on minis for the 2 new factions right now.

   
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Middletown OH

Gotcha dude, was just curious, that palace does look cool though.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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Steady Dwarf Warrior




Middletown OH

Hey Just as a heads up I really dig the new website update you did! I don't know if you could, but if you could somehow combine the wild west style of the last one, It would be top notch.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Thanks And yeah I plan to include more of those elements later on, right now I want to focus on getting the content all moved over. Eventually I'll be changing my domain names around so blackwatergulch.com will go right to the BWG page on the main site, and also in time I want to get my online store integrated so there's no more separate sites to keep track of I can just have everything all in 1 place. The store will take much longer to do though so I'm saving that for last.

Then after that's done I want to start doing lots of videos, some just to show the models from all kinds of angles, but also how to play, how to paint, stuff like that. That will have to come much later though.

   
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 Necros wrote:
Nope, no official buildings really. There's the Battle Flag buildings here:

http://www.wargame-buildings.com/blackwater-gulch.html

They're not really totally official but I gave em permission to use the name and they made an update to their hotel model to give it a flat roof and we named it the Blackwater Palace. Some day I hope to make some of my own resin buildings, but the sculpting will be expensive and I want to focus on minis for the 2 new factions right now.


Hawgleg Publishing (the guys who put out Gutshot) had a small resin building selection, and then acquired more. They never really did much with them.

http://hawgleg.com/default.asp

Mike Murphy and Mike Mitchell are both good dudes. I think Mike Mitchell probably has most of the molds and stuff at this point.

You could possibly get with them and maybe come up with an almost 'turn key' start at terrain offerings.

Jake

Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings. 
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Cool I'll look into that

What I was thinking of for buildings is to do super high detailed special buildings that would be the hideout or home for each gang, so the Clancy gang might get a saloon, vigilance committe would be the sheriff's office, etc. But I want them to be super high detail models, a lot like the tabletop world buildings, only western looking instead of fantasy

   
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Norristown, PA

So I’ve been giving some thought to the faction ideas now that we have the Beasts on the way. I was going to save this for BWG2.0 next year or whenever I can make that happen, but I think I’m going to do this with a rules update to go with the Savage Beasts expansion. What I was planning is to have 1 big human faction with all of the current & future gangs, then the beasts faction with all animal type monsters, and undead later on. Kind of wondering if 1 big human faction is too much, and I should break that up more, into a Lawman and Outlaw faction.

The Lawmen would be the Vigilance Committee, Widowmakers, Dockside Drifters and Wilde’s Rangers. Outlaws would the Clancy Gang, Bandidos Mexicanos, Secret Fist and Bloodwolf Tribe.

Hired guns are neutral, they can join either side. I also thought about making the Tranquility Crew be neutral like hired guns, basically like a whole gang of hired guns? Sometimes their nice, and sometimes they aim to misbehave.

The Beasts and Undead would be similar, 2 different factions, but Demons would be like hired guns and can join either side. Demons will be critters like the jersey devil, mothman, rake & slenderman.

Anyway, I thought that might be a fun way to break things up a little. that way the folks that want to stick with a historical type of game can have 2 factions to choose from, and there could even more to choose you want to play with the monsters too.

Any thoughts? Would that mess up your plans for world domination if you usually play with 2 gangs together that are suddenly enemies? Would it be better if each whole gang was like a separate faction? That was my original plan way back when, but I was afraid that would make things too limited with only 5 guys per gang currently...

   
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Steady Dwarf Warrior




Middletown OH

I could see where it could be a little much with everyone having a separate faction. I do really like the outlaw and lawman faction idea, but if it were something like an end of the world scenario, and the gangs had motivations for joining outlaws and lawmen, I feel like that would be a good idea. Then again i also like playing to were my gang has a different motivation than my buddy's gang.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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Norristown, PA

I was thinking not so much an end of the world scenario, but more like it's become a really dangerous place and some gangs have set aside their disagreements to work together for safety or just to try and get more money.

Only thing I'm kind of stuck on is the faction / race skills I was planning. Humans have access to all guns and artillery, beasts have running wild, and undead will be bloodsuckers (or brain eaters, same thing, they heal 1 HP if they take someone out of action).

I'm kinda thinking both the outlaws and the lawmen should get their own special faction skill too. Or is it good enough that each gang leader has something special they can do to help their gang? Beasts and undead won't have special leader skills, just humans


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Oh also, 1 other thing I was going to do is update all of the character cards to the newer style I was using for Bad Lands, same content just a different look. There would be little icons for the attributes instead of “Str” and “Sta”, and an icon at the top to show what faction they’re in. The only thing is I can’t change the cards that are already in the boxes because they’re all shrinkwrapped and in a warehouse 4 states away, but the old cards would still be valid anyway. So I was going to have the new cards be download only, and maybe have a print on demand option for people that really want the printed cards, through Wargame Valut or The Game Crafter.

And going forward, for new models I wasn’t going to include cards anymore since it’s an added expense and I want to have things be as cheap as possible. That’s why the stats are in the rules for each of the beasts. I was gonna make the cards be more like an optional kind of thing.

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Middletown OH

Gotcha, I do enjoy having the separate factions with different motivations. I think I worded it wrong when I said "end of the world" I was trying to say "really dire circumstances" lol but I will say I do like having the cards but if you do decide not to include them I feel like the print on demand is a great option for a little extra.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Yeah I wanted to remove the cards for a few reasons. For one, I have to use bigger packaging to fit the cards, and it’s an added expense. I’m trying to make the minis as affordable as possible Then there’s the issue of printing all those cards, organizing them, packing them, the more stuff we add in the more chances something can get missed. And then there’s also a lot of who folks buy the minis for other games, and just throw the cards out anyway so that seems like a waste. I thought going forward I’d offer them as downloadable PDFs, Print on demand for people that want a real card, and in new books I’ll print each character’s stats too like I did with the beasts PDF. That will also allow me to start packaging in small clamshells or blister packs that will be a lot cheaper than printing boxes.

For packaging, what I hope to eventually do is retire the current gang starter sets after they are all sold out, and then sell those minis separately in smaller packs, then do new faction starters with new characters. So we’ll have an Outlaw starter set, lawmen, beasts and undead. Other characters would be sold in packs of 3 henchmen, 2 professionals or 1 hero/gang leader. Same thing with the beasts where they will have 3 minions, 2 fiends or 1 monster.

Only problem is it’s a lot more expensive to sculpt new sets of men since everyone has to be unique. The beasts work much better since we just have to sculpt 1 in 3D and then just duplicate it to make different poses. So it’ll take a while to get new gangs put together.

   
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Steady Dwarf Warrior




Middletown OH

The new sets don't sound like a bad idea at all, I think Ill stick to the Wylde's Rangers army theme though. hopefully when the kickstarter begins we can get enough raised for some new human sculpts though.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Here's what I was planning for the new cards



the icon in the top right is for the faction, and I'll probably do a different background color or something like that for each faction too, except for the minis I don't have art for, then those will get a photo of the mini.

   
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Steady Dwarf Warrior




Middletown OH

That looks awesome! really like the changes and keep it up with that artwork, it might just be me but i think stamina should be like a muscled torso or something along those lines.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Yeah I thought about that but it just wasn't coming out right, so we went with the lightning bolt I'm going to shrink the icons down and space them out a bit, so there's a gap between the XP and Strength, kinda like the cards are now. The flip side is just gonna be plain text like now. Content is gonna be the same as the current cards, they're just getting a facelift.

I'd like to be able to do color art for all of the old characters that don't have any, but it's expensive.. basically around $100 per character and that really adds up fast for a gang of 5. I also thought about changing to all model photos, but I also can't afford showcase quality pro painting, so art is the cheaper option

I'm updating the savage beasts rules now with the faction info, so I'm hoping I'll have that done in the next couple of days, then I can get started on all the cards I've also been thinking about moving some of the current hired guns over to the outlaw or lawmen factions, maybe just a 2 or 3, to give more options for heroes/leaders.

   
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Middletown OH

Wow i actually didn't know the art was that expensive.the hired guns idea is neat, is it going to go along with the new box sets whenever those come to be?

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

The art is cheap compared to the minis anyway, those usually end up costing over $1000 per mini including the sculpt and the molds and everything. I wish I were able to sculpt myself, I'd save so much money The big mechs from Mechadrome were more like $2000.

One good thing about the Beasts though, is we only need to sculpt 1 of each kind, and then repose it, so that will help me get a lot more models done faster and cheaper. Humans and the undead will all have to be more unique sculpts that will cost more.

I was thinking the new Outlaw and Lawman sets would have 5 all new characters, probably all the different heroes I was going to have in Bad Lands.

   
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Middletown OH

As long as you keep the preexisting ones supported and around im fine with it lol ive grown quite fond of my wyldes rangers.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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Norristown, PA

Nope they're not going anywhere Just some repackaging later on but that's a long way off, not till the current box sets are all sold out and I need to get new ones made.

   
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Middletown OH

Huzzah! a good day indeed, anyway though when will the kick starter actually start? Gonna make sure i got the cash for it.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

At this rate it's probably going to be late June or early July. The printer got the files but we ran into some issues and I had to send him new versions, hopefully they'll finally be printing this week. Then it will probably take a least 2 weeks to get master models to paint, then another 2 weeks to paint and prepare everything else. So, plenty of time to save your pennies

I just finished the updated savage beasts rulebook though

http://www.gangfightgames.com/blackwater-gulch/savage-beasts/

I'll be getting the new cards done this and/or next week

   
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Middletown OH

Gotcha, and thats a damn good looking expansion lol the cards turned out great.

“I said to him one day: ‘Doctor don’t your conscience ever trouble you?’ ‘No, ‘he replied, with that peculiar cough of his, ‘I coughed that up with my lungs long ago.”
Col. John T. Deweese  
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Got some new art for the undead This will be the cover image eventually, after it gets colored in


   
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Columbus, Oh

I have to say I do not like the Icons instead of words for stats. I think that would be fairly hard to remember all the time, but also I am a long time player and am used to the Acronyms and abbreviations.

In general though, when I run the demos I have..

Forces of Law - Vigilance Committee, and a custom Marshal gang

Outlaws - Clancys,and Widowmaker

3rd party grouping (as I have 3 or 6 players sometimes) - Mexicans, Tranquility crew

I thought the Widowmakers are sort of a "rogue" group of women.. a bit like the "wild bunch"



2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.

Order of St Ursula (Sisters of Battle): W-2, L-1, T-1
Get of Freki (Space Wolves): W-3, L-1, T-1
Hive Fleet Portentosa (Nids/Stealers): W-6, L-4, T-0
Omega Marines (vanilla Space Marine): W-1, L-6, T-2
Waagh Magshak (Orks): W-4, L-0, T-1
A.V.P.D.W.: W-0, L-2, T-0

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Norristown, PA

hmm .. well, I could keep it as the one big human faction like I originally planned, I thought that having the two factions + hired guns would be fluffier. Or does it just limit things unnecessarily? I thought this would also make it easier to handle new releases, so I could just make a couple minis at a time, like add in 1 new outlaw gunslinger or lawman bounty hunter. It’s a lot more expensive to sculpt a whole new gang, but I could probably handle 1 new sculpt a month to keep things more current and slowly grow the game without needing to use kickstarter all the time. I actually hate the whole kickstarter process, but I don’t really have any other option right now.

For the icons though, I wanted to do that to make it kind of multi-lingual. Also when I would do demos it would seem like people get confused over all the stats (that or they just couldn’t hear me over the gencon cacophony) so I thought having an icon would make it easier to identify at a glance. I think I may drop the circles though, so it’s just a little picture.

   
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Norristown, PA

Funny thing just happened.. I got a big spreadsheet from Game Salute with all of the stock they have in the warehouse.. not the box sets, but all the loose items left over from the 2 Kickstarter campaigns, and there’s a LOT. A while back they told me I had thousands of dollars worth of stuff, but when they told me how many box sets it didn’t seem like much, but now I know why There’s the red and blue special dice, gamecraft buildings, secret weapon resin bases, and lots of solo minis. So, I will soon be adding a lot of that to my online store. This also means I’ll be able to sell solo copies of pretty much every mini I have, rather than just box sets. This started because I wanted to see how many bases were left over so I could get the gatling guns made to sell separately. Turns out they have 100 gatling guns just sitting there collecting dust So that will save me the expense of casting new ones, and I won’t have to wait till June to make them, I can pretty much just offer them as soon as I get the go-ahead from the warehouse (hopefully today).

gonna be a busy next couple of nights adding all those new but old products to my store…

   
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Columbus, Oh

sounds like a problem that a lot of retailers would LOVE to have..

will await the webstore update!

2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.

Order of St Ursula (Sisters of Battle): W-2, L-1, T-1
Get of Freki (Space Wolves): W-3, L-1, T-1
Hive Fleet Portentosa (Nids/Stealers): W-6, L-4, T-0
Omega Marines (vanilla Space Marine): W-1, L-6, T-2
Waagh Magshak (Orks): W-4, L-0, T-1
A.V.P.D.W.: W-0, L-2, T-0

www.40korigins.com
bringing 40k Events to Origins Game Fair in Columbus, Oh. Ask me for more info! 
   
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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

May take a little while I don’t think they have any of these extra items in their system for selling/packing/whatever so I have to wait and hear back from them to see what’s what. At the very least I hope we can get the gatling gun going and take it from there. but seeing how much extra stuff they have laying around I’d like to be able to offer it for folks that might not want every mini in a set, while supplies last anyway.

   
 
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