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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Accolade I hope you're wrong. If there is one thing 40k doesn't need right now it's any new codex save physical copies of inquisition and SoB. CSM are just fine where they are at.

CSM could use some fixes to make the Chaos Marines part of the codex more viable compared to cultists.
Chaos Daemons need a major streamline so they aren't beholden to the Chaos God of bookkeeping every game. And maybe make a full 6+1 power chart for Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh that is shared between the two armies, rather than the 3+1 Change and 3+1 Tzeentch mess we have now.

Tau need a few minor tweaks- bump the base price of the riptide up by about 10 points, and bump the interceptor wargear upgrade from 5 points to 15-20, and increase the cost of missilesides. Also, swap the TL Burst cannon option on tanks for a pair of burst cannons to make them usable compared to the SMS.

IG could use a nerfing of the Wyvern.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
How much longer will 7ed be around before we go to 8ed

It will release when the internet learns to stop feeding trolls.

Exalted, I thought I was the only one that remembered the OP.

No, we are all aware that the OP has made some bad flamebait threads in the past. But I don't see any trolling comments in his post or the thread itself, so I'm not going to call him out for simply asking a legitimate question. Doing THAT is trolling.

Off the high horses with ye.

Reading posts on here about GW, their business strategy and profits etc, reminds me of ancient Greeks consulting the oracle's who 'knew it all'.

It's all very meaningful. I'm glad we have such a wealth of expertise available to guide us In these paranoid times

 Wulfmar wrote:
Reading posts on here about GW, their business strategy and profits etc, reminds me of ancient Greeks consulting the oracle's who 'knew it all'.

It's all very meaningful. I'm glad we have such a wealth of expertise available to guide us In these paranoid times

Hey, I'm not all-knowing. I never would have guessed they'd have cut 6th edition in half

 Accolade wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Reading posts on here about GW, their business strategy and profits etc, reminds me of ancient Greeks consulting the oracle's who 'knew it all'.

It's all very meaningful. I'm glad we have such a wealth of expertise available to guide us In these paranoid times

Hey, I'm not all-knowing. I never would have guessed they'd have cut 6th edition in half

Same, it was a shot from the dark. I need to invest in some new bones to rattle.

New dice additionally as I seem to have displeased the dice God's too recently and they're punishing my Thousand Sons as a result

 Wulfmar wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Reading posts on here about GW, their business strategy and profits etc, reminds me of ancient Greeks consulting the oracle's who 'knew it all'.

It's all very meaningful. I'm glad we have such a wealth of expertise available to guide us In these paranoid times

Hey, I'm not all-knowing. I never would have guessed they'd have cut 6th edition in half

Same, it was a shot from the dark. I need to invest in some new bones to rattle.

New dice additionally as I seem to have displeased the dice God's too recently and they're punishing my Thousand Sons as a result

Don't, it's a trap! Soon you'll buy an even *worse* dice, and before you know it you'll be sacrificing small animals before games. All part of Tzeentch's plan.

Davor wrote:
Everything has really been tweaks not new editions. 2nd is different from Rogue Trader so can be categorized as a new edition. 3rd edition is different from 2nd edition so can be categorized as a new edition. 4th, 5th and 6th is basically 3rd edition with just tweaks. .

I would disagree with that categorisation. New editions of a game should just be 'tweaks'. The new edition should clean up errors and genuine rules issues, not change stuff for the sake of change.

Adding a whole extra phase to the game... or removing a phase from the game, for that matter, is not a 'tweak'... It's a major change to the system.

2nd and 3rd edition were both big enough changes to the existing game that they were practically new games. Likewise, the jump from 5th to 6th resulted in a game that played very differently.

 insaniak wrote:

Davor wrote:
Everything has really been tweaks not new editions. 2nd is different from Rogue Trader so can be categorized as a new edition. 3rd edition is different from 2nd edition so can be categorized as a new edition. 4th, 5th and 6th is basically 3rd edition with just tweaks. .

I would disagree with that categorisation. New editions of a game should just be 'tweaks'. The new edition should clean up errors and genuine rules issues, not change stuff for the sake of change.

Adding a whole extra phase to the game... or removing a phase from the game, for that matter, is not a 'tweak'... It's a major change to the system.

2nd and 3rd edition were both big enough changes to the existing game that they were practically new games. Likewise, the jump from 5th to 6th resulted in a game that played very differently.

Agreed^ And what we need now is not tweaking but a serious overhaul of the rules/game to deal with the bloat - rules for an army from all over the place, piles of special rules, etc.

Right. Just because some parts of the game stay the same doesn't mean the game isn't rebooted if a bunch of other stuff changes.

I mean, step back a moment and just look at what changed. Yes, space marines are still Sv3+, and they're still ignored by Ap3 weapons, and they still have BS4 bolters, but we also have fliers, and a completely different psychic phase, and superheavies, and allies, and unbound.

Also, look at how the game plays. Yes, it's still ugoigo, and it still has movement followed by shooting followed by charging. But just how well is it going to work to field an army of MSU khorne berzerkers in rhinos and charge up the table? That used to eat everything else alive, while nowadays it's just going to get tabled by turn 4. Meanwhile, if you used to run a static gunline with firewarriors and broadsides against a slugga green tide, you'd be laughed off the table. Now the orks won't even make it into close combat.

That's not just a change in the codices, that's a change in the rules to make games play out very differently to the way they used to, even if the to-hit and to-wound charts stay the same.

7th will never stop working.
These are books, and there is no server overhaul like with on-line games. You can play 7th until your models fall apart.
But, new models will only be playable for the version it was released, and after. Like Fliers are 6th and later (with a bit of 5th from the "Something From the Skies" book).

As for 8th, I expect it later this year, when the last of the port-7th books are re-done.