feeling bad after quitting a game... worst game of 40k to date.

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**Smotejob**

Davor wrote:
One thing I don't understand is, when you guys disagreed on a rule, how was it resolved? Did you show him in the codex or BRB to prove him wrong?

You would think after the 3rd time he would think, "I might be getting these rules wrong after being proved it's not the way I think."

So how did you prove that you were right? If you showed him in the rule book/codex, then you were correct in quitting the game politely and saying why you did so.

Yes, we used the big rule book.

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Mordaem wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

most people who played GKs simply cause they're cheesetastic munchkins have, I imagined moved on in the wake of the 7th edition GK codex

I still play GKs and I still get told they are cheesy, but when an army has as many units total as some of the others have for just their HQ slot it's hard not to be and still be competitive.

That said, the OP did the right thing in this scenario. When I was first starting out I lost a lot of games while I learned the rules and there was only one time it didn't sit well with me. Most of my early losses at least taught me something but my first game against Orks turned into my last game against a particular player at my local store. Turns out he's the type of person who will lie and cheat to get a win and for me that's a huge insult.

If your the type of person that has to ruin the fun of others to get your win and make yourself feel better for whatever reason, then your never going to play against me. Rules debates are always going to happen, but let's at least keep it civil and honest.

Most the guys I play w/ are okay with grey knights as an opponent. But it is hard to not spam 2+ 5++ saves with them. I have a very competitive gk list that does well in the local tournament scene, but I don't bring that list unless we plan ahead of time to prepare for a tournament.

I was playing an inquisition/astra militarum list for this game against tau

**Davor**

Smotejob wrote:
Davor wrote:
One thing I don't understand is, when you guys disagreed on a rule, how was it resolved? Did you show him in the codex or BRB to prove him wrong?

You would think after the 3rd time he would think, "I might be getting these rules wrong after being proved it's not the way I think."

So how did you prove that you were right? If you showed him in the rule book/codex, then you were correct in quitting the game politely and saying why you did so.

Yes, we used the big rule book.

Wow, I don't know what to say. I can't believe anyone would act like that. I think you did the right thing and quit the game. That really mind boggles me. I know when I use to play I would think a rule is played a certain way but when corrected I would apologize for being wrong and thank the person for correcting me. Most people I played with said there was nothing to be sorry for and we played and had fun.

I hate to see what this person will become if he ever becomes a veteran. If he is new and starting like this imagine 6 months or a year from now how he can be. Hopefully you don't ever have to play him again like in a tourney setting.

**jreilly89**

ionusx wrote:
At least you didn't have a guy show up to an flgs with a literal wooden shipping container of models and list build the second he saw your army on the table as you unpacked all your things. I had that happen, I grinned and took it because I don't get to play often and really wanted to play with someone and my flgs is not friendly to 40k play so my choices were few n far between. he was basically list building and from that point onwards we had nothing but hostility in the room as things got worse from there.

Anyway I just took as a learning experience and now I'm not going to be playing with that person again.

Sadly that last sentence is about the best thing you can do :/

**Davor**

ionusx wrote:
At least you didn't have a guy show up to an flgs with a literal wooden shipping container of models and list build the second he saw your army on the table as you unpacked all your things. I had that happen, I grinned and took it because I don't get to play often and really wanted to play with someone and my flgs is not friendly to 40k play so my choices were few n far between. he was basically list building and from that point onwards we had nothing but hostility in the room as things got worse from there.

Anyway I just took as a learning experience and now I'm not going to be playing with that person again.

I see this happen a bit when I use to play. I swear if I ever play again, I will bring two armies. One to unpack so people can see and when it's game time, take out my real army so if they list tailor it's to the first army I took out. I just want to call a guy out on it if he makes a fuss. "Oh? Who said I was playing this? I just took it out to show off my horrible painting skills. Now that you have your army list army let's play and I will take my minis out now.

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**Furyou Miko**

Xenomancers wrote:
Portugal Jones wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
Oh goodness. You played a complete stranger that doesn't know the rules yet? You need to know going into this kind of game that you are going to be more of a teacher than an opponent.

You can't teach a gak who isn't interested in learning.

While that might be true. I really doubt that he's not interested in learning the game - more than likely he was frustrated that rules he had no idea existed were effecting him adversely, he might have even felt some rules were being made up because it's hard to trust complete strangers. To me this is totally understandable. I've seen it happen time and time again. This is why I prefer to use 2v2 games as learning tools. It also means you can play a real game to as opposed to babysitting your opponent. It's just a suggestion, some people though don't want to be helped and we have a name for those people. I don't think this was necessarily the case, because he walked out on a game which I've never had to do in over 300 games of 40k. I wasn't there so I don't know the extent of the dudes yelling or frustration outside of a few lines of text but when you tell me things like - he was arguing the rules with me and it was taking an hour to get through a turn then I'd say that's exactly what you should expect from a newbie. I don't think the OP should feel bad for leaving the game, I just think he went into the game expecting it to be a game of 40k when in fact he should have known from the start that it was going to be a terrible experience.

To be fair, from the OP it sounds like the other guy was making up rules, not just contesting the rules the OP was using.

**Eilif**

Davor wrote:
ionusx wrote:
At least you didn't have a guy show up to an flgs with a literal wooden shipping container of models and list build the second he saw your army on the table as you unpacked all your things. I had that happen, I grinned and took it because I don't get to play often and really wanted to play with someone and my flgs is not friendly to 40k play so my choices were few n far between. he was basically list building and from that point onwards we had nothing but hostility in the room as things got worse from there.

Anyway I just took as a learning experience and now I'm not going to be playing with that person again.

I see this happen a bit when I use to play. I swear if I ever play again, I will bring two armies. One to unpack so people can see and when it's game time, take out my real army so if they list tailor it's to the first army I took out. I just want to call a guy out on it if he makes a fuss. "Oh? Who said I was playing this? I just took it out to show off my horrible painting skills. Now that you have your army list army let's play and I will take my minis out now. .

I didn't realize this is such a common thing, but it's beginning to sound like it. My buddy started playing 40k a couple of years ago and at one if his first games he showed up with his army (everything he had) and the guy (a gamer with much more experience) took one look at it, swapped out some of his units, modified his army list and proceeded to stomp him into the ground.

**kveldulf**

I advocate rolling with the punches, but this is over the top. I would have flat out told the guy how ridiculous he is making things, let him know that you wouldn't mind trying to play him after he reads and understands the rules, then, politely excuse myself.

I wouldn't feel bad. Forgive and forget it.

**BrianDavion**

Smotejob wrote:
Davor wrote:
One thing I don't understand is, when you guys disagreed on a rule, how was it resolved? Did you show him in the codex or BRB to prove him wrong?

You would think after the 3rd time he would think, "I might be getting these rules wrong after being proved it's not the way I think."

So how did you prove that you were right? If you showed him in the rule book/codex, then you were correct in quitting the game politely and saying why you did so.

Yes, we used the big rule book.

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Mordaem wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

most people who played GKs simply cause they're cheesetastic munchkins have, I imagined moved on in the wake of the 7th edition GK codex

I still play GKs and I still get told they are cheesy, but when an army has as many units total as some of the others have for just their HQ slot it's hard not to be and still be competitive.

That said, the OP did the right thing in this scenario. When I was first starting out I lost a lot of games while I learned the rules and there was only one time it didn't sit well with me. Most of my early losses at least taught me something but my first game against Orks turned into my last game against a particular player at my local store. Turns out he's the type of person who will lie and cheat to get a win and for me that's a huge insult.

If your the type of person that has to ruin the fun of others to get your win and make yourself feel better for whatever reason, then your never going to play against me. Rules debates are always going to happen, but let's at least keep it civil and honest.

Most the guys I play w/ are okay with grey knights as an opponent. But it is hard to not spam 2+ 5++ saves with them. I have a very competitive gk list that does well in the local tournament scene, but I don't bring that list unless we plan ahead of time to prepare for a tournament.

I was playing an inquisition/astra militarum list for this game against tau

mind you GKs PAY for those 2+/5++ saves. yeah your individual infantry man is hard to kill but when your average GK army proably consists of 20-30 models...

**Makumba**

Out of which 1/3 is NKDs and centurions, but I digress.

I would like to point out that if someone plays with or without some rule, suddenly showing it to someone in the rulebook aint going to make him happy. At best your going to get a we don't play it like that reaction and at worse your opponent will think your the WAAC OP tournamenmeister ruleslaywer , because he knows that, if the rule was ok, his gaming circle would be using.