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Manhatten, KS

Skullhammer wrote:
Nice review though i feel your under estemating d marks sure its a one turn 2+wound which is bad but useing there inception (on enemy deep strike) they are interceptor shots i've put them to good use crippleing/wiping podded stern gaurd/vangaurd etc i add at least one unit to all my lists.

This could just be my meta but they like pods around here.


They probably make most of their money against drop pod/deep striking MEQ to include tau suits but they do not ignore cover and you have one turn to make them count. Previously it was all game against those targets and you could bring them in with a night scythe to get the job done. There is just too much that needs to go right now for them to get the job done.

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Chicago, Illinois

They're still putting out 20 BS4 Sniper rounds a turn, which isn't to shabby especially with the rules for Sniper Weapons.

I would grade them a B , B-.

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I'm not sure what to do with the Judicator Battalion.

Trying to mix a destroyer cult in to maximize the benefit sucks up so many point, your army ends up being very small.
Thestalkers abilities benefit an infantry army the most, but can you fit enough vehicles into such a list to help with target saturation so the stalkers don't get singled out and destroyed right away?
   
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Chicago, Illinois

It's one of the unfortunate problems with several of the formations, that they in themselves are so expensive that together it's not worth it.

Have you considered just taking a Destroyer Cult w/ a Normal Cad?

It easily allows you to bring Triarch Stalkers for the +1 BS and gives OBSEC.


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Hollismason wrote:
It's one of the unfortunate problems with several of the formations, that they in themselves are so expensive that together it's not worth it.

Have you considered just taking a Destroyer Cult w/ a Normal Cad?

It easily allows you to bring Triarch Stalkers for the +1 BS and gives OBSEC.



That's been one of my go-to lists recently.

Now, I'm just trying out all of the other formations, trying to find different ways to use them to see if there are any hidden gems I've overlooked.
That's kind of why I'm stuck with the Judicator right now.... it feels like it should work well in a certain type of army, but I can't figure out how to build around it without the army having a huge some huge flaw that's difficult to overcome.
   
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Manhatten, KS

omerakk wrote:
Hollismason wrote:
It's one of the unfortunate problems with several of the formations, that they in themselves are so expensive that together it's not worth it.

Have you considered just taking a Destroyer Cult w/ a Normal Cad?

It easily allows you to bring Triarch Stalkers for the +1 BS and gives OBSEC.



That's been one of my go-to lists recently.

Now, I'm just trying out all of the other formations, trying to find different ways to use them to see if there are any hidden gems I've overlooked.
That's kind of why I'm stuck with the Judicator right now.... it feels like it should work well in a certain type of army, but I can't figure out how to build around it without the army having a huge some huge flaw that's difficult to overcome.


The simple answer is there isnt a good way to include the judicator and still have a well balanced list. At least not at the current tournament point levels. It would work great for higher point games but at 1850 or below imo it would be more risk then its worth. Especially with bike heavy armies being prevalent right now and their jink saves ignoring your AP3 dakka.

TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)

TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)

TK- 2014 to Date: http://www.torrentoffire.com/rankings 
   
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I tried writing up a list using just the Destroyer Cult, thinking it'd just be cheaper to throw in a Stalker to give the Heavies the BS5 boost. But then I wanted to add a unit of Wraiths to tarpit. Then a unit of Praetorians to act as a hammer to their anvil. And then, oh, I can't forget Tomb Blades! And if I'm adding TBs, I might as well give them a Quad Gun to sit on for a bit. And then...
...
now my "cheaper" list is 2600 points
D:

 
   
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 Tomb King wrote:
omerakk wrote:
Hollismason wrote:
It's one of the unfortunate problems with several of the formations, that they in themselves are so expensive that together it's not worth it.

Have you considered just taking a Destroyer Cult w/ a Normal Cad?

It easily allows you to bring Triarch Stalkers for the +1 BS and gives OBSEC.



That's been one of my go-to lists recently.

Now, I'm just trying out all of the other formations, trying to find different ways to use them to see if there are any hidden gems I've overlooked.
That's kind of why I'm stuck with the Judicator right now.... it feels like it should work well in a certain type of army, but I can't figure out how to build around it without the army having a huge some huge flaw that's difficult to overcome.


The simple answer is there isnt a good way to include the judicator and still have a well balanced list. At least not at the current tournament point levels. It would work great for higher point games but at 1850 or below imo it would be more risk then its worth. Especially with bike heavy armies being prevalent right now and their jink saves ignoring your AP3 dakka.


FYI, the Praetorians which come in the Judicator formation are incredible anti biker squads when equipped with Rods.
   
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This is something I've been saying: If you're using the Reclamation legion right instead of minimising everything like the world's biggest troops tax, you're not going to have a lot of spare room.

The Decurion effectively lends itself best to being a massed gunline of durable troops and Jetbikes, plus maybe a dedicated transport or two, plus room for a gimmick of your choice.p

Heck, and if that gimmick is Lychguard based, enjoy buying a unit of Deathmarks or Flayed Ones as a bare minimum to legally qualify as a Decurion,
   
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I like the write-up with the Nightbringer.
A shame that you don't expound on the Burning Conclave fun though.
T8/S8 with 5+ FNP helps his durability just a wee bit. And a veil solves mobility. ;]
   
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Ferros wrote:
I like the write-up with the Nightbringer.
A shame that you don't expound on the Burning Conclave fun though.
T8/S8 with 5+ FNP helps his durability just a wee bit. And a veil solves mobility. ;]
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I was mainly covering the book as a stand alone piece. I plan on doing formations later on down the line. The burning conclave is a deathstar with a ctan.

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TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
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Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
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Sorry for the long delay in an update. As you can see my flag Icon for my post changed. Dealing with reintegration and a daughter that I didnt have before i left.

TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)

TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)

TK- 2014 to Date: http://www.torrentoffire.com/rankings 
   
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Chicago, Illinois

Congratulations.

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In regards to your Heavy Destroyer review:

The main factor you missed out is that they've got long range in a codex where nearly everything is medium range. If you combine that with leaping behind or into terrain in the assault phase, they have impressive survivability and a better chance at reaching far off vehicle or elite targets than Warriors do.

Where they really shine though is their formation, where they don't need to ever worry about terrain tests and reroll armour penetration.
   
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Keep up the great work. looking forward to the next uppdate.

one small thing, you forgot to mention that the spyders can take the twin linked particle beamer upgrade (S6 AP5 Blast).

Would you ever concider getting this upgrade for them to add a ranged attack to the spyders? or is it not worth it in youre opinion?

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What are people's opinions on Imotekh as a LOW. I have been considering him, although he is pricy.

In a CAD, if you are running orikan + zhandrek and you want another 2+ save, without allying a royal court. Basically for 25 more points than an overlord with the same gear ( 2+4++ ,IWND ,flamer) you get a Str6 AP2 18" staff, once a game lighning at bs2 (might ping some fliers/FMCs) and the ability to reroll flayed scatter (might help depending on list)

I think his strength might actually lie in his LOW slot. If Decurion is restricting you, eg. 110pt tax per squad of wraiths (i know RP is good, but it's still very pricy), he could allow you to have some more utility in the army.

Thoughts? Too pricy, or just a niche pick?
   
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Mostly niche, but not bad. He's durable, has good shooting, and has army wide bonuses. I think he's a fine character, only downside is that you have to include another HQ with him, so he's more expensive than he looks.

If I were to use him, I'd mostly focus on his fantastic weapon. BS5, S6, AP2 gun is great. Throw him in a Night Scythe or in a safe-ish Veil unit and drop him somewhere up the field. His gun is awesome, and he's durable enough to be in the frontline. If he gets charged, he has a Flamer and then can tank things in Assault (though he has no Assault power to speak of on his own.
   
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Welcome back to the US of A dude.

Good review and write up, even if your use of "your" and "there" make my grammar parts hurt.

You mention bringing a few of the units; what's your list build look like at 1500, 1850, and 2000?

I've been running DraigoCentStar and AdLance lists lately at CC, and wanted to bring the Necrons out of retirement.
There was a funny rumor at the store that Greg said I wasn't allowed to bring Knights anymore....


 
   
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Sorry i just got referenced back to this thread and realized i never posted lord of wars. Rise and be reborn so i may finish my work.

TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)

TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)

TK- 2014 to Date: http://www.torrentoffire.com/rankings 
   
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thread has passed it's reanimation protocol...

Looking back at this, I think some ratings could be changed. Destroyer Lord is IMO the best non-character HQ option (and only Zhandrekh is better of the characters). But it's your ratings. Would you change anything now that this is over a year old?

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