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 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I think Alpharius/Omegon would actually be the best at expanding into new galaxies, since they have a style of warfare that is usable in any situation.

Eh, they aren't unique in being flexible. Horus was known for his flexibility and using different tactics, even Guilliman was a master of lots of styles of warfare and was flexible, contrary to popular belief. Almost all the Primarchs were masters of different styles of warfare intact.

The problem with Angron's "loyalty" is that he wasn't at all loyal to the Emperor, or to the Imperium. He was loyal only to those soldiers who fought under him, because they were in the thick of it as much as he was. He didn't really respect any of the other Primarchs that weren't also front-line combatants, and especially did not respect the ones who had gifts in areas other than combat. If the Great Crusade ended successfully, and every Xeno wiped out, it would not have taken long for Angron to turn against his brothers and the Emperor anyway.

Angron eats, drinks and breathes warfare. If there's no war to be fought, he'll start one.

 dusara217 wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
I'm sure Guilliman, with his talent for efficient leadership, would have been give larger parts of the Imperium to handle. Eventually maybe all of it. An administrator who has incredible knowledge about managing resources, and little need for sleep? He wouldn't have been asked to manage individual worlds but whole Segmentums. Any particular world (like Macragge) that he wanted to micromanage would have to come out of his sleep allowance.

Somehow I think many of them would have found it stifling to be stuck as the administrators and leaders in a peaceful Empire.

Guilliman was an administrator, not a leader. Even he knew that. Sanguinius and Horus were leaders. Guilliman would've been their quartermaster or secretary.

Read unremembered Empire, good sir, and see just how wrong you are

Sorry, but that book actually backs his claim.


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person67 wrote:
I think one thing we need to remember the emperor planned to raise the primarchs himself. would the night haunter have turned out a cynical madman if he were raised in the walls of the imperial palace. you have to bear in mind as well as their genetic nature they were all nurtured to end up the way they did. so many of the primarchs would have been very different people if not affected by their childhood.

That's actually the idea of the roles. We would have to assume a best-case scenario and what their original purposes may have been. Given character traits, I chose for Angron and Curze the position most likely to coincide or utilize those traits without being too exacting.

 Shidank wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
I'm sure Guilliman, with his talent for efficient leadership, would have been give larger parts of the Imperium to handle. Eventually maybe all of it. An administrator who has incredible knowledge about managing resources, and little need for sleep? He wouldn't have been asked to manage individual worlds but whole Segmentums. Any particular world (like Macragge) that he wanted to micromanage would have to come out of his sleep allowance.

Somehow I think many of them would have found it stifling to be stuck as the administrators and leaders in a peaceful Empire.

Guilliman was an administrator, not a leader. Even he knew that. Sanguinius and Horus were leaders. Guilliman would've been their quartermaster or secretary.

Read unremembered Empire, good sir, and see just how wrong you are

Sorry, but that book actually backs his claim.

No it doesn't.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
No it doesn't.

That's alright, we can agree to disagree on the contents of a book wherein Guilliman states openly he would rather manage crops than an army.

But I'm sure you have your reasons.

person67 wrote:
I think one thing we need to remember the emperor planned to raise the primarchs himself. would the night haunter have turned out a cynical madman if he were raised in the walls of the imperial palace. you have to bear in mind as well as their genetic nature they were all nurtured to end up the way they did. so many of the primarchs would have been very different people if not affected by their childhood.

I agree with you that this is a critical missing piece. Could he have used his precognition much more productively if not so tormented? I read one suggestion that Sanguinius--also known to have some visions--would have balanced him out.

I just don't know why the Emperor didn't communicate better with them--especially with Magnus, about the Golden Throne, Nikaea, etc. etc.

 Psienesis wrote:
The problem with Angron's "loyalty" is that he wasn't at all loyal to the Emperor, or to the Imperium. He was loyal only to those soldiers who fought under him, because they were in the thick of it as much as he was. He didn't really respect any of the other Primarchs that weren't also front-line combatants, and especially did not respect the ones who had gifts in areas other than combat. If the Great Crusade ended successfully, and every Xeno wiped out, it would not have taken long for Angron to turn against his brothers and the Emperor anyway.

Angron eats, drinks and breathes warfare. If there's no war to be fought, he'll start one.

I would like to believe that angron would be used to collect and train PDF and IG forces.

Putting a closer bond between marines and humanity his loyalty was to war and warriors, I would love to see the warhound legion to have been one that showed up and taught humans tactics and such to protect themselves more. Its really boring imo that a good amount of stories start up.

Planet X was invaded
People of planet X were slaughtered with minor defense from PDF
Marines, IG or something similar showed up and either win or lose depending on how grimdark we need to feel today.

Why cant the planet call for reinforcments while defending themselves (not well but doing it)

Because, to Angron, if that planet couldn't defend itself, it deserved to die. Angron had no time for people who needed to be taught how to fight. You came to Angron as a warrior already blooded, to improve and perfect your skill, not as some weedy bag of bones who'd never held a chain-blade in their life and fainted at the sight of blood. Angron had no time for the latter.