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A nice haul of news this morning. Is that an imperial army list in the table of contents plus a titan legion list plus two legions? (albeit without the core legion rules) That's not bad for content!

Guilleman looks nice... not astounding but definitely nice. I'd love to see a size comparison of him next to a regular marine. To the person who posted that he looks like a third party fig, I disagree. He looks alot better then the 3rd party version offered up on ebay from time to time in Russia.

The warlord frankly looks small. I was expecting bigger. I previously used a haloclix scarab as a warlord counts as for huge FLGS apoc games and that model would dwarf the warlord in size.

The toes on the khorne mower with feet strangely bother me...

 gorgon wrote:
In case it hasn't been posted already, here's a better pic of Guilliman. And it looks much better (IMO), as I predicted.

From B&C:

Spoiler:

No, I don't think that was but only the painted grainy pic of a photo BOW image. He does look quite nice there.

 Azreal13 wrote:
People need to check the batteries in their humour detectors.

My humor detector doesnt have batteries. If it did, I would change them.

They may get around to it eventually (for the seige on terra would be my guess). It took them roughly 5 years to go from the warhound to the reaver and approximately 7 years to go from the Reaver to the Warlord. If we extrapolate that out to 9 years, it should be just about the time GW and it's subsidiaries finally run out of ideas for milking the Horus Heresy and are forced to advance the plot to its conclusion.

vegeta365 wrote:
Has it really been 7 years since I bought my Reaver? I would have guessed 5.

Wow time flys!

Vraks 2 came out in 2008. I don't recall if the reaver followed shortly after.

While I like the overall look of the model and disagree with most of the points, I do agree that his legs look a bit short.

Can someone post a link to the primarch abilities?

Thanks (both ITT and via PM) for the info. I think the rules do a good job of portraying the RG (because I don't want to butcher the name) from the fluff. With a powersword and powerfist and a 40mm base, you could also feasibly use him as a Antiochus Calgar stand-in.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Don't like

- Robotte, looks off, like a 3rd party sculpt as someone said

You really don't see a difference in quality between



and



?

I see a huge difference between the only 3rd party sculpt I know of and the only official model of RG.

If it is like the Tau y'vahra, they'll include only the riptide sprue that you need and not the other one. I don't know if the khornemower is split up that convientently with the unneeded bits on one sprue though as I've never seen one in person let alone assembled it.

But.. but.. the toes! They're freaking me out for some reason! It's like when you see for the first time an Indian person wearing the socks that split the toe off like a mitten so they can wear sandals... the socks defy all things normal when not a simple tube! it's not a khorne mower if it loses the movwer.

Cool, some nice choices there for non-space marines. Sounds like a solid book especially when combined with titans and UM. You basically get three flavors/levels of power for the imperium.

 Alpharius wrote:
Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

Nah, you get angry marines and smurfs as well as some not IG plus "I can't believe it's not a 3 up of a Knight" Titan. The word bearers will be around for probably a year though given their current release schedule and them splitting the whole ultramar thing into multiple books. In the grim darkness of the future, there is only plot stagnation.

For those who have the tempest HH book, out of curiosity what does it say about the early years of the Ultramarine legion? I always thought it was cool that they meshed the Terran origin of the legions with the eventual character of the world that the primarchs landed on.

Thanks for the UM info guys as it is much appreciated. The posted info definitely jives with the later great crusade and post heresy UM.

@Theophony: They're getting it from the new HH book V Tempest. In the HH books, the legion info is split up into two general parts (at least in the older books). The first part is all fluff including the pre-primarch terran history of the legion (which is what I asked about and they're posting) and then some Great Crusade battle stories that showcase each legion's quirks. It should eventually make its way to the online encyclopedias/wikis. Reading those tidbits of fluff on the early early legions is one of my favorite things about the HH.

 BrookM wrote:
Interestingly enough, it is mentioned that these Chapters that did not partake in the Calth campaign would forever be seen as outsiders by the rest of the Legion, for they weren't there when it happened and even their Primarch treated them differently for some reason. As a result these Chapters were amongst the first to be broken away from the Legion and turned into the modern Chapters we know today.

edit.

Also, these Chapters were seen as "true" Ultramarine Chapters, because they weren't changed by what happened on Calth, which is a nice callback to the Space Marine codex where some Chapters would engage in tiny penis measuring contests over who was more true to something than the other Chapters.

Is that also in tempest or one of the novels that I haven't kept up with?


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 Deadshot wrote:
Calth was a major historic event, the 5th Capital world of Ultramar, which was so huge that the other 4 had their own governing Astartes champion called a Tetrarch who was somewhat akin to a Chapter Champion in relation to modern times. Most of the Legion turned up for the event, but obviously some had duties and wars to fight, planets to garrison.
To compare it to modern terms, it would be like the opening of a second White House or Buckingham Palace. Most of the important people would turn up but some still have to run businesses or do other vital things.

Isn't it something like 500 worlds in the HH compared with the two dozen in 40k?

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I must say, this thread has done much to lessen my Ultramarine hate. Still probabaly my least favorite legion, but not by as much as before.

They're not worth of hate; no army is except maybe cheesed out min/max 7e eldar which isn't an issue in HH. Ridicule? Sure... they're pompous and haughty... but hate? Nah. It's in the same boat as giving blood angels a hard time for all the nipple and beefcake armor or the dark angels for their preference in wearing size 60 women's clothing on top of their power armor.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Wha...?!?

Word Bearers are clearly the 'worst' Legion - ever!

But the Death Korp of Krieg are definitely the "wurst" ever!

Brook, it was a joke. I put a smiley face in there along with references to nipples and astartes wearing pretty dresses to stress that. I rather like the UM despite my jokes indicating possibly the contrary if you read too much into them. If there wasn't already an established UM player in my 3rd edition group, I probably would have picked them for my first army. I ended up picking blood angels simply because of fate since they were the only army not "taken" from the big 4 astartes in my group and they had a new codex that just came out when I joined.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

But the Death Korp of Krieg are definitely the "wurst" ever!

I see what you did there... What'd be the opposite of the Exalt-button? A Depress-button?

A 'Disparage' button? I like it!!

A simple groan is reward enough for a joke of that calibre especially given Kosake's flag!

The usual. What book is after Ultramarines part II in the HH FW series... What primarch is next... the average speed of an unladen swallow... What non-HH Imperial Armour book is next with what xenos in it... etc.

 BrookM wrote:
Aye, mixing weapons isn't always a good idea. Taking two phased plasma rifle (in the 40 watt range) is always a good idea, perfect for frying anything in power armour.

Not everyone has the hobby budget to buy all those bits. Hey, sometimes the only option is just what you see, pal.

dammit! Ninja'd!

 Lockark wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I certainly hope FW does more Chaos Knights. I always found it funny that the weapon on Acheron and think the Castigator Knight as well were the names of two weapons available for chaos Knights in epic; so it'd be a little disappointing if those don't carry over to Chaos.

I got a feeling to expect what they did for chaos contemptors and some other units. They will give us the rules but you need to convert the loyalist model over to chaos your self.

Or you can just use the chaos contemptor model and rules they came out with.. the ghal vorbak one.

 Azreal13 wrote:


I love the dinobots.

There, I said it.

I do too. Especially that episode where he usurps Optimus Prime and takes control of the Ark... unless that isn't what you meant. The chaos spikey big moster robots though not so much. I do however like the possessed style that FW is with the serrated sun chapter and to a lesser extent the chaos marines in the current starter. I was ok with the spikes and skulls up until recently though and even had a chaos army back in third edition but I'd never restart it with the aesthetic cranked up to 11 like it is now with the larger plastic kits. I'm not a fan of the new plastic dreads (starter and independent kit) nor the helldrake. If I were to start another 500pt ally force (I sold my old stuff), it would likely be mostly FW with a daemon prince at the lead.

 kronk wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Iron Warriors of course

... oh.

Duh.

I don't recall him fighting Iron Warriors in the books, yet. He wasn't at Phall or Isstvan.

I think for the loyalist HH characters that didn't undergo such radical changes and start sprouting horns and spikes that they're likely just doing a single version regardless of how slow the plot is advancing in the novels and to a lesser extent the FW books.

Does Roboute (thanks for linking the video above as I could automatically correct my mispelling of his name!) come with any ranged weapons? I'm always curious if the primarch models can be used relatively appropriately for any standard special characters. Roboute has a power fist and power sword (just like marneus although he obviously has a pair of the former) but I'm curious if a ranged bolt weapon is represented on the primarch as well.

Cool, thanks for the clarifications! No wonder I didn't see it back there. I might end up getting him at some distant point in the future but first I'll have to finish up my Space Wolf converted Horus and Ferrus (the Warboss Heresy!). He wouldn't be inducted into the Vlyka Fenryka but be the first primarch that stays with his own legion in my little collection.

 Desubot wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Wonder how he draws that gun since he has it on the side where his boxing glove is?

Magnets and string

You're not forging the narrative hard enough. Obviously, some word bearer gal vorbak will have to cinematically knock it off the small of his back while Roboute then pummels him back into the warp with the power fist before shooting down the Traitor Navy frigate with the bolter in the OTHER hand. duh...

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Anyone else find it ironic that Guilliman did a better job of conquering the Imperium than Horus did?

But seriously love the model. I'll have to save up a bit to get him and his honour guard. Maybe use him as a counts as Calgar once in a while...

Errr.. he's a bit big for Calgar lol. Even if Calgar's in TDA he's still a midget by comparison lol.

While I don't have a pic of Calgar next to Roboute (hey, I spelled it correctly without prompting or googling!), they're not completely out of whack. The plasma cannon guy is a truescale marine made from mostly terminator bits along with inquisitor rex for a size comparison.



My introduction into 40k came with the 3rd edition Blood Angel codex. The terminator on the cover there formed the basis for what TDA should be visually and size wise for me (and it meshed with the fluff much more than the old 2nd edition puny metal models ever did). I'd obviously have no issues using him as a calgar in TDA although from a size perspective at least.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I heard the deal was they had the rights to RPGs and board games but no miniatures games. Which is why Relic has those busts rather than full figures.

I still think they should have gone with a grimdark thimble made from a servitor's big toe and a little space marine Mk8 armor shoe.