The 40k End Times

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**Iron_Captain**

Kain wrote:
Unlike Warhammer Fantasy Battle, there's no way to push the reset button inherent to the setting if Chaos burns the galaxy, if the Tyranids devour everything there is to be devoured, if the Orks crush everyone else in a stampede of violence, or if the Necrons enslave everyone under an everlasting Silent Empire. Hell even the good factions would pretty much mean the end of the setting upon their victory. The Imperium purges all non-useful Xenos and the Emperor smothers all other presences in the warp. The Eldar re-establish the old empire and kick everyone back into their proper places. The Tau establish a permanent hegemony with no serious rivals upon achieving galactic conquest, much like the Imperium.

If one of the factions wins, that's that. So no, you really can't have it resemble how the end times went for FB.

That is not different than in WHFB. Nobody won there. The end was like: "Chaos eats everything, the world just ceases to exist and the Chaos Gods couldn't care less about it." A proper end for 40k should either be Chaos consumes everything (which would give the same end as for WHFB) or the Nids consume everything. If 40k gets an end times, it also should lead to an actual, definite end. No reset buttons, everyone is dead, period.
Or if you really want a good end it could be that the Emperor returns, exterminates all Xenos, permanently defeats the Chaos Gods and leads Mankind to a golden age of prosperity for everyone. Personally, I don't think a 'happy end' would be fitting for the grimdarkness of the far future.

**Kain**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Kain wrote:
Unlike Warhammer Fantasy Battle, there's no way to push the reset button inherent to the setting if Chaos burns the galaxy, if the Tyranids devour everything there is to be devoured, if the Orks crush everyone else in a stampede of violence, or if the Necrons enslave everyone under an everlasting Silent Empire. Hell even the good factions would pretty much mean the end of the setting upon their victory. The Imperium purges all non-useful Xenos and the Emperor smothers all other presences in the warp. The Eldar re-establish the old empire and kick everyone back into their proper places. The Tau establish a permanent hegemony with no serious rivals upon achieving galactic conquest, much like the Imperium.

If one of the factions wins, that's that. So no, you really can't have it resemble how the end times went for FB.

That is not different than in WHFB. Nobody won there. The end was like: "Chaos eats everything, the world just ceases to exist and the Chaos Gods couldn't care less about it." A proper end for 40k should either be Chaos consumes everything (which would give the same end as for WHFB) or the Nids consume everything. If 40k gets an end times, it also should lead to an actual, definite end. No reset buttons, everyone is dead, period.
Or if you really want a good end it could be that the Emperor returns, exterminates all Xenos, permanently defeats the Chaos Gods and leads Mankind to a golden age of prosperity for everyone. Personally, I don't think a 'happy end' would be fitting for the grimdarkness of the far future.

Warhammer Fantasy Battle's setting is explicitly cyclical. When one world is devoured by Chaos, a new one with some survivors from the old one becoming the new gods is born and the whole thing starts over again.

With 40k, when one faction asserts its dominance over the entire milky way that's kind of it. Only the Tyranids are known to exist beyond the Milky Way for certain and there's no indication that anyone is capable of restarting the entire universe when the galaxy is gone. Unless you want to make a whole bunch of new factions for the next galaxy that Tyranids arrive at at and squat everything that died with/is stuck in the milky way.

**Jambles**

Call me an old-timer, but I quite like the whole cliffhanger aspect of the lore, and I hope that doesn't change. The mystery of how everything shakes down at the end of the 41st millennium is masterfully sinister and damned intriguing. So many books with timelines of major events showing how things have been getting steadily worse, with events approaching the end of the millennium bordering on apocalyptic. That the ultimate fate of the galaxy is left as a mystery, one with a strong implication that things are probably going to be very, very bad, is, well... it's cool. It's brutal. What can I say? I'm a sucker for that grimdark crap. And based on this thread I'm not the only one.

TL;DR it's already the end times sucka, we don't need another set of books for that!

**ProwlerPC**

True that, the entire setting is about the entire galaxy being on a cliffhangar. I wouldn't want to take that away.

**Kain**

I'm rather confused that people think that WHFB wasn't already on the brink of the apocalypse before end times started coming out. Impending, inescapable doom was pretty prevalent all throughout it.

**Jambles**

Kain wrote:
I'm rather confused that people think that WHFB wasn't already on the brink of the apocalypse before end times started coming out. Impending, inescapable doom was pretty prevalent all throughout it.

Yeah, I got that sense also, especially with the whole Storm of Chaos campaign and such.

**chazz huggins**

I doubt that a 40k end times would be like a fantasy end times as in the universe ending but as in major shiznit for the IOM and Chaos as in returning primarchs, or the black Library being raided by orks or by magical nonsense Horus shows up and the Emperor wakes up or Khaldor Drago kills a chaos god, or The old ones return or some other wild heresy.

**Harriticus**

End Times was a ploy by GW to reinvigorate interest in Fantasy. 40K is already big enough where they don't need to.

That being said, actually advancing things would be a good idea.

**Waaghboss Grobnub**

Ehm.. istn 40k already just the end times in itself? Almost all known races except Orks and Tyranids are known to be somewhat on the edge of extinction?

**Keep**

Harriticus wrote:
That being said, actually advancing things would be a good idea.

Not with GW beeing in charge... I rather not have this garbage that the end times is. Elves beeing arch rivals vor thousands of years, and now they just get a long fine. Yeah no thanks. That's like the inquisition suddenly joined forces with heretics.

**dubovac**

Dont want to spoil anything for you but there are more then few =I= using demon, cultist and heretic allies.

**Keep**

They are a specific sect that use chaos against itself.
I'm talking about the entire IoM and "imperial church" join up with chaos forces against... tyranids or whatever.

**the Signless**

Or doing what they did for the elves in WHFB and folding the Imperium and chaos legions into one faction titled 'Human.'