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 Desubot wrote:
TAC vs TAC is fun

The second you hit a skew it becomes a blood bath

so take skews

What about armies that don't have skew builds, or their skew is something like countering green tide, which no one normal players?

TAC lists are still a thing, there is just a lot fewer armies that can pull it off. Almost non can do it without ally and multi FoC or formations. And some armies like IG or GK were, in my opinion, designed from the get to be not played as a stand alone codex.

Dude, Nevelon- Just convert an Imperial knight to Look Chaos-y...then ally it to your chaos....write some fluff and BINGO! a Chaos Knight...

TAC isn't dead as long as Battle Sisters keep their Holy Trinity and have a flier option, like we do now.

Any Battle Sister army can TAC, because we have a weapon for every job, and enough of them to put the hurt where it counts.

 Unspecific Person117 wrote:
Dude, Nevelon- Just convert an Imperial knight to Look Chaos-y...then ally it to your chaos....write some fluff and BINGO! a Chaos Knight...

I think you might be talking to someone else. My only interaction with chaos is with the business end of a bolter. Damn heretics and traitors.

(Well, and WHFB, but that’s another section of the forums)

TAC exists but it is a misnomer. You can never prepare counters to every threat but you can prepare counters to every type of threat.

Therefore you must group threats by type and prepare adequate responses to each.
Infantry
Armour
Flyers
Those counters may not be efficient or even effective at dealing with the extremes of each type (Superheavies in the Armour type come to mind)

A problem will only truly arise when a foe specializes an army into one area... with your own TAC army spread to deal with a variety of types, you will have less weapons to deal with one particular type. E.g. you dedicate 25% of your army to Anti-Armour but your foe brings 80% Tanks.

Both using a TAC army or an army that plays to its own strengths comes down to playstyle. I find TAC armies to be more defensive or reactionary whereas armies that play to their own strengths are very aggressive.

Furyou Miko wrote:TAC isn't dead as long as Battle Sisters keep their Holy Trinity and have a flier option, like we do now.

Any Battle Sister army can TAC, because we have a weapon for every job, and enough of them to put the hurt where it counts.

This is true. Sisters are so rare that everyone underestimates them. They have the "holy trinity" to deal with virtually any threat. However, they have the same problem as most Eldar: T3 across the board. Unlike Eldar, Sisters aren't nearly as mobile.

Otto Weston wrote:TAC exists but it is a misnomer. You can never prepare counters to every threat but you can prepare counters to every type of threat.

Therefore you must group threats by type and prepare adequate responses to each.
Infantry
Armour
Flyers
Those counters may not be efficient or even effective at dealing with the extremes of each type (Superheavies in the Armour type come to mind)

A problem will only truly arise when a foe specializes an army into one area... with your own TAC army spread to deal with a variety of types, you will have less weapons to deal with one particular type. E.g. you dedicate 25% of your army to Anti-Armour but your foe brings 80% Tanks.

Both using a TAC army or an army that plays to its own strengths comes down to playstyle. I find TAC armies to be more defensive or reactionary whereas armies that play to their own strengths are very aggressive.

This is true, and works for armies like Space Marines, Eldar, and Tau. The problem is that those armies don't encompass the entire game. Armies like Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos don't play like those armies, and have to work with their own playstyle to counter those threats.

Like you said, every list should have the ability to deal with the threats you listed. But in many cases, it is better to specialize the army rather than take a generalist approach.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
TAC isn't dead as long as Battle Sisters keep their Holy Trinity and have a flier option, like we do now.

Any Battle Sister army can TAC, because we have a weapon for every job, and enough of them to put the hurt where it counts.

You have no deep strike, so your short-ranged meltas and flamers die to scatterbikes before they get into range.

In fact, the bikes are so mobile you'll probably never get into range.

Even if you somehow do there'll be a wraithknight or two waiting for you. You need twenty-seven meltaguns to kill a Wraithknight, 40,5 if it has a shield. GL

 Ashiraya wrote:
You have no deep strike, so your short-ranged meltas and flamers die to scatterbikes before they get into range.

In fact, the bikes are so mobile you'll probably never get into range.

Even if you somehow do there'll be a wraithknight or two waiting for you. You need twenty-seven meltaguns to kill a Wraithknight, 40,5 if it has a shield. GL

Fortunately, not every game is against Eldar, and not every Eldar player is going to spam broken units.

Eldar are a hard matchup for SoB for sure, but SoB are like many Imperium forces in that they are very generalist in playstyle.

SoB actually have many things to counter Eldar. Exorcists put out firepower that will kill or neutralize any Eldar vehicle, and most Eldar infantry are deathly allergic to heavy flamers. Meltas are for everything in between. Mobility is handled by cheap rhino-chassis transports, or by stealing them from Imperial allies.

I only play pick up games. All my lists are TAC.

Usually means rock paper scissors for me....