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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
My Eagles are on scenic bases, putting them quite high above the table. So, unless you have a long spear pointing upwards, it's impossible to get within 0.5 inches of my Eagle!

Aha! They are invincible!

GW rules are just the greatest.

Of course, it also means your eagle can't attack them either, so your eagles are functionally useless other than bubbles of "enemies can't enter here".

I'm with you btw, i have lots of eagles and phoenixes. I'm trying to figure out how the hell they are not anything but useless other than bubbles of movement denial. :(



The rules are a hot fething mess. I really liked WHFB 8th, but AoS basically needs a "house-rule" re-tool from the goddamn ground up.

I am fairly excited to see close-ups of those Khorne guys though! Besides the Angel winged guys the Sigmarite side looks pretty dumb though.

These rules assume you and your opponent operate under the terms of common god damn sense and are mature enough not to act like frigging idiots. These rules are clearly meant to be simplistic and force you and your opponent to *GASP* talk with one another to determine certain things in order for your game to go smoothly *hence no points, you and your opponent now have to discuss scenario and model count* If you and your opponent can't agree on "No stacking models on my bases" or "Hey that artistic stand I have for my model has no relation to attack it" then you have bigger problems, or you need to wait for the dozens of comp systems that will inevitably come out in the next few months.

I mean, why should GW write rules tight enough for tourny's if everyone's going to rewrite their own? May as well just make a fun ruleset for reasonable people who can discuss rules with each other like well rounded people.....oh wait.

I think we should be able to handle this with "Wobbly model syndrome" - that is, place the model as close to where it "actually" is as possible, and consider it as occupying that space until it ceases to occupy that space.

Example:
You can successfully charge (get within 1/2" of an enemy model with your model), but doing so would put you ON their base... Make a note that the model is actually within 1/2" of the enemy model, and place them base-to-base instead. When either model moves, put the models in their rightful place.

Seems simple enough.

Or GW could have avoided all this by just making measurement from the base like every sane rules system does.

 Haight wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
My Eagles are on scenic bases, putting them quite high above the table. So, unless you have a long spear pointing upwards, it's impossible to get within 0.5 inches of my Eagle!

Aha! They are invincible!

GW rules are just the greatest.

Of course, it also means your eagle can't attack them either, so your eagles are functionally useless other than bubbles of "enemies can't enter here".

I'm with you btw, i have lots of eagles and phoenixes. I'm trying to figure out how the hell they are not anything but useless other than bubbles of movement denial. :(

I'm guessing it's GW's way of phasing out larger Flyers down the road. As more and more AoS waves come out to fit the new fluff/factions, I'm not thinking there'll be no large flyer monsters anymore, or at least not have the models posed as such.

This isn't actually rocket surgery, it does say in the rules that no part of the model can move farther than it's movement characteristic - so you basically measure from the farthest extended part of the model.

If this leads to absurd modeling for advantage, you have every right to tell your opponent that he's a tool and refuse to play with them, because that sort of dickery has no place in this hobby. :p

overtninja wrote:
This isn't actually rocket surgery, it does say in the rules that no part of the model can move farther than it's movement characteristic - so you basically measure from the farthest extended part of the model.

If this leads to absurd modeling for advantage, you have every right to tell your opponent that he's a tool and refuse to play with them, because that sort of dickery has no place in this hobby. :p

What about rotating? If you turn around a cavalryman, his lance will move much more than the pivoting body. I don't really get why didn't they just say that only the body proper counts just like they did in 40k to avoid shooting marines in the heraldry/chainsword tips/wings on their helmets. This way a rotating body still makes very little difference in movement and you ignore stuff like pointed weapons or even long arms.

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
My Eagles are on scenic bases, putting them quite high above the table. So, unless you have a long spear pointing upwards, it's impossible to get within 0.5 inches of my Eagle!

Aha! They are invincible!

GW rules are just the greatest.

Of course, it also means your eagle can't attack them either, so your eagles are functionally useless other than bubbles of "enemies can't enter here".

I'm with you btw, i have lots of eagles and phoenixes. I'm trying to figure out how the hell they are not anything but useless other than bubbles of movement denial. :(

I'm guessing it's GW's way of phasing out larger Flyers down the road. As more and more AoS waves come out to fit the new fluff/factions, I'm not thinking there'll be no large flyer monsters anymore, or at least not have the models posed as such.

Really? It seems to me that the whole point of AOS is to sell models. GW sure as hell aren't selling a lot of rules and army books considering they are free. I expect to see craptons of new, ornate models of all types.

The only reason we have all this "1/2 inch" and measuring from the model is because GW don't want to alienate anyone still using square bases. I imagine down the line when square bases are long forgotton about they'll switch to measuring from the base again. In the meantime I think 90% will house rule to do base to base measuring.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
My Eagles are on scenic bases, putting them quite high above the table. So, unless you have a long spear pointing upwards, it's impossible to get within 0.5 inches of my Eagle!

Aha! They are invincible!

GW rules are just the greatest.

Of course, it also means your eagle can't attack them either, so your eagles are functionally useless other than bubbles of "enemies can't enter here".

I'm with you btw, i have lots of eagles and phoenixes. I'm trying to figure out how the hell they are not anything but useless other than bubbles of movement denial. :(

I'm guessing it's GW's way of phasing out larger Flyers down the road. As more and more AoS waves come out to fit the new fluff/factions, I'm not thinking there'll be no large flyer monsters anymore, or at least not have the models posed as such.

Really? It seems to me that the whole point of AOS is to sell models. GW sure as hell aren't selling a lot of rules and army books considering they are free. I expect to see craptons of new, ornate models of all types.

i didn't say they'd be selling less models.

I said they'd avoid selling these:


in favor of something more like this:

 Bottle wrote:
The only reason we have all this "1/2 inch" and measuring from the model is because GW don't want to alienate anyone still using square bases. I imagine down the line when square bases are long forgotton about they'll switch to measuring from the base again. In the meantime I think 90% will house rule to do base to base measuring.

I'm not sure if that is true. . . I've been trying to think of a reason why GW would have made you measure from the model rather than the base, and then be able to sell even more of the base packs. What if this is their way to get rid of third party miniatures? Because now you get a clear advantage/disadvantage by using something besides the official Gw Model. BUt hey maybe I'm just paranoid

Agreed they've just released over priced bases they want to sell so if you had a model on the back of a square base you need to rebase.

It's nothing but a cash grab from a company that's sinking fast, they've cut down to the bone and still lost money.

... except you don't need to rebase. GW have said you don't need to rebase.

If you play strictly by the rules, you don't even need a base. You ignore the base for all purposes.

I don't see how you can think AoS forces you to buy new bases.

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Reds8n

Thanks for the personal attack mate

But seriously, how are you being forced to rebase your models when the rules don't care about the base and GW have actually said "You don't need to rebase".

If you're told by the company you say have written these rules as a master plan to get you to rebase all your models that you "don't have to rebase your models" I having a feeling you aren't being forced to rebase your models...

Because if you make a nice scenic base you don't want other people putting their bases on top of your hard work and damaging it so they can get within 0.5 of an inch to attack.

How is that not clear?

Well that sucks, but that also wasn't what you said, or what I was replying to. You said "if you had a model on the back of a square base you need to rebase". No mention of scenic bases.

Honestly I doubt GW even thought about scenic bases when they were writing the rules. Don't assume malice when it is likely to be incompetence and all that.

hobojebus wrote:
Because if you make a nice scenic base you don't want other people putting their bases on top of your hard work and damaging it so they can get within 0.5 of an inch to attack.

How is that not clear?

so tell them "I put a lot of hard work into the base can we just measure from the base instead or be 1/2" and count as touching" and if they refuse, refuse to play with them..

its called
HAVING A CIVIL DISCUSSION

but I have a question for you, what about the players who did not put a lot of hard work into the base and did a very basic paint scheme just to game? should they change the way they play because you put a lot of hard work into yours and therefore somehow you are superior to them?

It seems like resolving the measurement issue is a lot easier than we've made it to be.

Let's say the pointy stick of measurement shows 7 inches from my model to an enemy model. However, the enemy player, Fedora Mcbeardywheeze, has rebased his models so I can't get to the 0.5 inch distance for melee.

I don't think GW intended rebasing shenanigans. I think if I make the charge roll, we're considered to have made the charge. Just because the models aren't physically within 0.5 inch doesn't negate the charge roll.

It's either that or GW spent what minuscule marketing efforts they do on a game that was intentionally broken at outset.

Well spotted

Damn, Irony, you funny!

Don't be critical of others when you cannot spell "college", or where you directing them to learn reading comp from a group of photographs?

Over the years, I have learnt a lot from studying walls of photographs. I consider them a valuable educational tool.

There's really no need to be rude or made personal attacks to another forum member.

Not least of course as one does run the risk of being hoisted on a petard that one owns.