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I can kind of see where you're coming from, OP. I hated vehicles back in 5th edition as I felt they were pretty much mandatory to play and a pain to deal with. Wave serpents are neat and all, but they aren't psychic space elf samurai that have their own unique philosophies and character arcs to think about. I mean, the pilot can be a cool guy, but it's not the same.

But then if you didn't invest a certain amount of your army into your own tanks and ways to kill the enemy tanks, you'd just get pounded into the ground by tank guns. :( It felt like you had to spend X points and dollars on semi-faceless vehicles before you're allowed to use the characters in your story. Plus, my sense of aesthetic finds vehicles much cooler when they stand out as rarities in an army rather than being the main thing you see.

I'm much less fixated on tanks now that my footdar army is viable. ^_^

4th ed was pretty good for foot lists. Especially eldar/DE and Nids as Fleet of foot/claw actually gave you a mobility edge and helped really bring some movement tactics in the game.

I really think that the Run rule was the first rule to really start the downfall of the game for me. It suddenly made everybody just like anyone else in the movement phase.

i use 0 vehicles, trust me, its awesome

Bharring wrote:
100% Vehicles frequently? Crappy.
0% Vehicles frequently? Also suboptimal.

Once more, moderation in all things is key.

Which is why, once upon a time the game had practical limits on how many vehicles you could field, before literally every unit could take a transport and before heavy support tanks could be fielded in squads.

Wyldhunt wrote:
I can kind of see where you're coming from, OP. I hated vehicles back in 5th edition as I felt they were pretty much mandatory to play and a pain to deal with. Wave serpents are neat and all, but they aren't psychic space elf samurai that have their own unique philosophies and character arcs to think about. I mean, the pilot can be a cool guy, but it's not the same.

But then if you didn't invest a certain amount of your army into your own tanks and ways to kill the enemy tanks, you'd just get pounded into the ground by tank guns. :( It felt like you had to spend X points and dollars on semi-faceless vehicles before you're allowed to use the characters in your story. Plus, my sense of aesthetic finds vehicles much cooler when they stand out as rarities in an army rather than being the main thing you see.

I'm much less fixated on tanks now that my footdar army is viable. ^_^

Now you see, vehicles in 5th where only a real pain if you had not bothered to bring any dedicated AT weapons. I find that many people whom complain about it where only bringing a token of AT firepower and thus where being stomped.

There were also the factions who did not have or had limited access to dedicated AT weapons...

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Vehicles is why I played 40K. To tell the truth, its the only reason I play 40K. If I wanted to just play with guys who just have boots on the ground there are many better game systems with just as interesting models out there to choose from.

This, pretty much. I don't know if I would have ever gotten into 40k at all if it weren't for the vehicle kits.

I highly recommend Infinity.

 Jayden63 wrote:

I really think that the Run rule was the first rule to really start the downfall of the game for me. It suddenly made everybody just like anyone else in the movement phase.

I'm with you on this. One of the changes from 4th to 5th I really didn't like. It is nice in one way, but removing mobility differences bothered me. Run wasn't the only change that had this effect.