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 Selym wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Mantorok wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Actually the reason for the change is to make the Black Templars fit with other space marine fluff. Instead of being Dorrito Marines, they now have apparently launched crusades consisting of a handful of squads yet slaughtered entire hordes of enemies.

Okay, see, now I'm torn.
The idea of only a few BT squads raging across the universe, wrecking armies is totally sick.
It makes your BT tabletop army feel like its own crusade, which is awesome.

However, doesn't that mess with the fluff surrounding Armageddon?
It lessens the impact brought by the BT, where 3 crusades only amount to 200 or so marines.

-shrug-

It just means GW wants to spank the Black Templars maybe even further than the typical Astartes Chapter. "Look at us, we're so powerful only two hundred of us changed the course of the war".

It is at this point that I can't tell if the intention was "Look at those Templars, doing badass stuff with just a few marines", or "Tha Codeks Astartes is tha bestest thing evar! It even made the Templars do stuff!"

The change in numbers has nothing to do with the Codex as they still are not Codex size.

So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

 1hadhq wrote:
So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

Codex Space Marines is not the Codex Astartes.

Codex Space Marines is the codex with lots of 10 and 100.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

Codex Space Marines is not the Codex Astartes.

It kinda is. To the point where it should be renamed:

"Re: The Codex Astartes" Or "Codex: Ultramarines"

It is the codex about Codex-Adherent Chapters. The other marines dexes exist specifically because they do not follow the CA. Shoving BT into C:SM probably made the devs decide to rewrit BT fluff to make them compatible.

Honestly just ignore the supposedly codex adherent stuff about the BT's, there is a reason BT players don't acknowledge it

Also whilst C:SM is mostly about adherent marines it is also the book i and pretty much every Carcharodons player is using so whilst it forms a baseline it doesn't force your chapter to be codex adherent

 Selym wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

Codex Space Marines is not the Codex Astartes.

It kinda is. To the point where it should be renamed:

"Re: The Codex Astartes" Or "Codex: Ultramarines"

It is the codex about Codex-Adherent Chapters. The other marines dexes exist specifically because they do not follow the CA. Shoving BT into C:SM probably made the devs decide to rewrit BT fluff to make them compatible.

Just how poor is your reading comprehension? Black Templars are not codex adherent, not unless you think that following the Codex means you have around 1,200-1,500 Combatant Astartes. And no, the Space Marine Codex is not the Codex Astartes- neither the Salamanders or the Iron Hands closely follow the Codex. The Salamanders only have Seven Companies and the Iron Hands don't even have a Chapter Master.

Yes the fluff change is silly, but it does not mean that ZOMZ MUH TEMPLARS ARE BECOMING CODEX ADHERENT. They're no more adhering to the Codex than the Space Wolves. They just are no longer half the size of a Legion.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

Codex Space Marines is not the Codex Astartes.

It kinda is. To the point where it should be renamed:

"Re: The Codex Astartes" Or "Codex: Ultramarines"

It is the codex about Codex-Adherent Chapters. The other marines dexes exist specifically because they do not follow the CA. Shoving BT into C:SM probably made the devs decide to rewrit BT fluff to make them compatible.

Just how poor is your reading comprehension?

How poor is yours?
C:SM is supposed to be about the codex-based marines, hence the standards of force composition, and the Ultrasmurf love. I'm not saying that the BT are fully compliant, but that they are being edited down to fit the "restrictions" of being in Codex: Codex.
And, as a point, even the Ultramarines don't fully follow the codex - their Tyrannic War Veterans are most certainly not a codex thing.


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 Wyzilla wrote:
They just are no longer half the size of a Legion.

Weren't legions waay more than around 12 thousand?

Something in the order of 100k or more?

 Selym wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

Codex Space Marines is not the Codex Astartes.

It kinda is. To the point where it should be renamed:

"Re: The Codex Astartes" Or "Codex: Ultramarines"

It is the codex about Codex-Adherent Chapters. The other marines dexes exist specifically because they do not follow the CA. Shoving BT into C:SM probably made the devs decide to rewrit BT fluff to make them compatible.

Just how poor is your reading comprehension?

How poor is yours?
C:SM is supposed to be about the codex-based marines, hence the standards of force composition, and the Ultrasmurf love. I'm not saying that the BT are fully compliant, but that they are being edited down to fit the "restrictions" of being in Codex: Codex.
And, as a point, even the Ultramarines don't fully follow the codex - their Tyrannic War Veterans are most certainly not a codex thing.


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 Wyzilla wrote:
They just are no longer half the size of a Legion.

Weren't legions waay more than around 12 thousand?

Something in the order of 100k or more?

Except two other Chapters are only semi compliant in the Codex. Were GW pushing for everything in C:SM to be Codex you'd see the Iron Hands losing their council and clan companies, the Salamanders only have six oddly numbered companies, and now the BT's have been reduced by half in their total count. Which is also no different than the Space Wolves, who also had their numbers reduced.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Were GW pushing for everything in C:SM to be Codex you'd see the Iron Hands losing their council and clan companies

Clan Raukaan supplement:
"As with all Chapters who adhere to the Codex Astartes, the Iron Hands are organised into ten companies, each composed according to the statutes laid down by Guilliman in his seminal work. Yet where other Chapters simply number these companies one to ten, the clan companies of the Iron Hands instead bear the honorific titles of the ten great clans of Medusa."

 Selym wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
So 1 EC can beat the whole Tyranid menace out of this Galaxy?

Seriously, the Emperor has better things to do than to send 2 BT his Visions at once. OtOH, he could just activate every BT simultanously... sounds fun. 6000+ Crusades.


@Wyzilla:

the change has everything to do with codex. BT are stuffed into codex : we love codex astartes.

Codex Space Marines is not the Codex Astartes.

It kinda is. To the point where it should be renamed:

"Re: The Codex Astartes" Or "Codex: Ultramarines"

It is the codex about Codex-Adherent Chapters. The other marines dexes exist specifically because they do not follow the CA. Shoving BT into C:SM probably made the devs decide to rewrit BT fluff to make them compatible.

Its more codex: Ultramarines and Friends. Give the non Ultramarines some credit! They at least deserve a generic mention!