So do blast now hit multiple levels of ruins?

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**nosferatu1001**

Oh, so thats the FULL definition is it?

Really, there are no other definitions of "underneath"?

From the Oxford English Dictionary (You know, the language the rulebook is written in...)

"So as to be concealed by (something else):
[AS PREPOSITION]: money changed hands underneath the table
figurative underneath his aloof air, Nicky was a warm and open young man
[AS ADVERB]: paint was peeling off in flakes to reveal greyish plaster underneath
"

So, I am right: there is another definition than the one you cling to as being the only possible one. SHocking!

Stop misrepresenting the truth here, it makes you look rather foolish.

Oh, and another ad hominem. How surprising

**sirlynchmob**

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Oh, so thats the FULL definition is it?

Really, there are no other definitions of "underneath"?

From the Oxford English Dictionary (You know, the language the rulebook is written in...)

"So as to be concealed by (something else):
[AS PREPOSITION]: money changed hands underneath the table
figurative underneath his aloof air, Nicky was a warm and open young man
[AS ADVERB]: paint was peeling off in flakes to reveal greyish plaster underneath
"

So, I am right: there is another definition than the one you cling to as being the only possible one. SHocking!

Stop misrepresenting the truth here, it makes you look rather foolish.

Oh, and another ad hominem. How surprising

interesting how you skip the common definition of underneath, #1 definition by oxford:
Situated directly below (something else):
Feel free to continue to ignore the context of all the LOS and blast rules. Take a good look from above, now why are we looking from above? To see what's concealed or to see what is directly below it?

**vitae_drinker**

The foundation is underneath the sewer. The sewer is underneath the subway. The subway is underneath the utilities. All of them are underneath the streets. Underneath describes one layer, multiple layers.

**JinxDragon**

Really want to be a sarcastic ******* so sorry this is far below the belt and not to my level of quality:
I always thought the Metallic Core of the Earth was underneath my feet, when accounting for our common sense use of up and down... but I have been proven wrong!

**Ghaz**

From the Tenets of You Make Da Call:

6. Dictionary definitions of words are not always a reliable source of information for rules debates, as words in the general English language have broader meanings than those in the rules. This is further compounded by the fact that certain English words have different meanings or connotations in Great Britain (where the rules were written) and in the United States. Unless a poster is using a word incorrectly in a very obvious manner, leave dictionary definitions out.

With GW's track record, I don't think they went and grabbed a dictionary before they wrote the rule intending for it to mean that if there was a roof over the model's head then the model wasn't hit.

**JinxDragon**

If they wrote a Rule designed to protect a Model with something over their head... Why make no mention of all of situations involving bunkers, ruin levels or other physical objects that could be between the Blast Marker and the Model?

**sirlynchmob**

JinxDragon wrote:
Then why didn't they put a clause in protecting Models on different levels?

first the word you wanted is below, the core of the earth is below my feet. Like I started with, no one would say I'm underneath the moon and stars, while sitting in a basement at high noon.

second, you can hit models on different levels, you just have to be able to see them when you look down from the blast marker. I see 1 on the top, 2 on the second, and 3 on the bottom floor. 6 hits.

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JinxDragon wrote:
If they wrote a Rule designed to protect a Model with something over their head... Why make no mention of all of situations involving bunkers, ruin levels or other physical objects that could be between the Blast Marker and the Model?

edit before you send

they did, its the LOS rules, you must be able to trace a straight, unblocked line. or Directly. and for blasts were told to look from the blast marker to see what is underneath.

**Ghaz**

And where do the rules say that terrain blocks 'line of sight' for seeing what's under the blast marker?

**nosferatu1001**

sirlynchmob wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Oh, so thats the FULL definition is it?

Really, there are no other definitions of "underneath"?

From the Oxford English Dictionary (You know, the language the rulebook is written in...)

"So as to be concealed by (something else):
[AS PREPOSITION]: money changed hands underneath the table
figurative underneath his aloof air, Nicky was a warm and open young man
[AS ADVERB]: paint was peeling off in flakes to reveal greyish plaster underneath
"

So, I am right: there is another definition than the one you cling to as being the only possible one. SHocking!

Stop misrepresenting the truth here, it makes you look rather foolish.

Oh, and another ad hominem. How surprising

interesting how you skip the common definition of underneath, #1 definition by oxford:
Situated directly below (something else):
Feel free to continue to ignore the context of all the LOS and blast rules. Take a good look from above, now why are we looking from above? To see what's concealed or to see what is directly below it?

Oh so now you admit there is another definition? That's very odd, all along you were claiming yours was the FULL definition, not allowing anything else to possibly be there. I wasn't ignoring the first definition - unlike you I was just stating there was another definition than the one you desperately cling t in the utterly vain hope that no one will notice your lies.

Your gak was rumbled, now accept with good grace.

Given we can use opaque blast markers, concealed is utterly appropriate as well.

**sirlynchmob**

nosferatu1001 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Oh, so thats the FULL definition is it?

Really, there are no other definitions of "underneath"?

From the Oxford English Dictionary (You know, the language the rulebook is written in...)

"So as to be concealed by (something else):
[AS PREPOSITION]: money changed hands underneath the table
figurative underneath his aloof air, Nicky was a warm and open young man
[AS ADVERB]: paint was peeling off in flakes to reveal greyish plaster underneath
"

So, I am right: there is another definition than the one you cling to as being the only possible one. SHocking!

Stop misrepresenting the truth here, it makes you look rather foolish.

Oh, and another ad hominem. How surprising

interesting how you skip the common definition of underneath, #1 definition by oxford:
Situated directly below (something else):
Feel free to continue to ignore the context of all the LOS and blast rules. Take a good look from above, now why are we looking from above? To see what's concealed or to see what is directly below it?

Oh so now you admit there is another definition? That's very odd, all along you were claiming yours was the FULL definition, not allowing anything else to possibly be there

Your gak was rumbled, now accept with good grace.

Given we can use opaque blast markers, concealed is utterly appropriate as well.

I love how you just straw man everyone and the rules. you can play however you want, just stop claiming its RAW, because clearly it's not.

**nosferatu1001**

sirlynchmob wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:

Sirlynch - ah, so breaking the tenets. gotcha. Oh, and it can mean "concealed by". So underneath the marker is the same as eerything concealed by the marker. Thast does not mean it cannot be concealed by somethign else as well. You remain, as ever on this point, utterly wrong.

Why are you changing the rules, why are you making up definitions to words? you have to change RAW to make your HYWPI work, so please mark your made up rule accordingly.

Full Definition of UNDERNEATH 1a : directly beneath
and beneath: 2: directly under : underneath

and since you have a hard time with directly:
1a : in a direct manner <directly relevant> <the road runs directly east and west>
b : in immediate physical contact
c : in the manner of direct variation

It's like the rules are trying to tell us how to use the marker. If something is blocking the marker from the model it is not directly beneath. I remain as always correct on the matter and my rule of thumb stands. If Nos says it's true, then you can rest assured it's wrong.

sirlynchmob wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Oh, so thats the FULL definition is it?

Really, there are no other definitions of "underneath"?

From the Oxford English Dictionary (You know, the language the rulebook is written in...)

"So as to be concealed by (something else):
[AS PREPOSITION]: money changed hands underneath the table
figurative underneath his aloof air, Nicky was a warm and open young man
[AS ADVERB]: paint was peeling off in flakes to reveal greyish plaster underneath
"

So, I am right: there is another definition than the one you cling to as being the only possible one. SHocking!

Stop misrepresenting the truth here, it makes you look rather foolish.

Oh, and another ad hominem. How surprising

interesting how you skip the common definition of underneath, #1 definition by oxford:
Situated directly below (something else):
Feel free to continue to ignore the context of all the LOS and blast rules. Take a good look from above, now why are we looking from above? To see what's concealed or to see what is directly below it?

Oh so now you admit there is another definition? That's very odd, all along you were claiming yours was the FULL definition, not allowing anything else to possibly be there

Your gak was rumbled, now accept with good grace.

Given we can use opaque blast markers, concealed is utterly appropriate as well.

I love how you just straw man everyone and the rules. you can play however you want, just stop claiming its RAW, because clearly it's not.

So you didn't claim it was the full definition?

Oh wait, guess you did. Oops.

It isn't a straw an for a couple of reasons. One, I didn't make up an argument you never made and then attacked that argument (a reasonably accurate description of a strawman - it might help you use it correctly in the future ) which means it wasn't a strawman. Secondly I showed you actual argument was wrong.

By "clearly it's not" you mean "I can't actually come up with a rules argument, so I will bluster and insult, whilst lying about the meaning of words" yes?

**sirlynchmob**

so more nonsense from NOS, what a surprise. and reported.

**Manchu**

At this point, the actual arguments have been posted and can speak for themselves.